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PaceAdvantage 12-30-2017 04:21 PM

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Originally Posted by cj (Post 2255407)
I post while handicapping, doesn't take me long. :)

Yeah, I wasn't thinking of you when I wrote that...but you knew that...:headbanger:

Lemon Drop Husker 12-30-2017 04:29 PM

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Originally Posted by PaceAdvantage (Post 2255397)
That's a good one. I'll put that in my book of totally ridiculous comebacks.

I'll take that as a compliment. :headbanger:

Denny 12-30-2017 04:31 PM

The "IMAGINARY" Finish Line.

When they show head-on replays afterwards they sometimes stop it BEFORE they even reach the red tape.

Plus the camera lines up with the inside rail. You get an angle view. The farther away the rails are from the inside, the worse the angle.

GP is a 2nd, no make that 3rd class operation masquerading as 1st.

Afleet 12-30-2017 06:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Denny (Post 2255443)
The "IMAGINARY" Finish Line.

When they show head-on replays afterwards they sometimes stop it BEFORE they even reach the red tape.

Plus the camera lines up with the inside rail. You get an angle view. The farther away the rails are from the inside, the worse the angle.

GP is a 2nd, no make that 3rd class operation masquerading as 1st.

Do what I do-don't play it

Tom 12-30-2017 09:40 PM

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Originally Posted by jay68802 (Post 2255423)
Depends on if they are using the regular finish line or the "alternative" finish line. They have two of them.

Plan B? :pound::pound:

jay68802 12-30-2017 10:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Tom (Post 2255649)
Plan B? :pound::pound:

Just in case the first one does not work.:)

alhattab 12-31-2017 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by jay68802 (Post 2255423)
Depends on if they are using the regular finish line or the "alternative" finish line. They have two of them.

They use the alt finish only for 1 1/16 races on dirt I believe.

For the grass races I've always assumed the end of the red tape but based Denny's post will take another look while watching today

thespaah 12-31-2017 05:10 PM

I read the entire thread.
One question comes to mind.
What useful purpose is served by Gulfstream management fudging the run up distance, incorrectly reporting the run up or not reporting it at all?
Another question.
What useful purpose is served by mistiming of races?
And last one. Instead of caving to these prima donna horsemen, why does the racing secretary just not "yes them to death" and not card the distance?
What are they going to do? Boycott the entry box? Call Brookledge and have them haul off their horses to......Uh oh.....Where?

cj 12-31-2017 07:23 PM

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Originally Posted by thespaah (Post 2255933)
I read the entire thread.
One question comes to mind.
What useful purpose is served by Gulfstream management fudging the run up distance, incorrectly reporting the run up or not reporting it at all?
Another question.
What useful purpose is served by mistiming of races?
And last one. Instead of caving to these prima donna horsemen, why does the racing secretary just not "yes them to death" and not card the distance?
What are they going to do? Boycott the entry box? Call Brookledge and have them haul off their horses to......Uh oh.....Where?

My theory is there are much bigger problems with the timing of races than we know about. They figure if the times are going to be wrong, lets make sure nobody can check them easily and pretend everything is fine.

thespaah 12-31-2017 07:33 PM

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Originally Posted by cj (Post 2256009)
My theory is there are much bigger problems with the timing of races than we know about. They figure if the times are going to be wrong, lets make sure nobody can check them easily and pretend everything is fine.

Which brings me back to my question. For what possible purpose?
Or am I just so cynical, the I cannot stop myself from believing Gulfstream management has an ulterior motive?

jay68802 12-31-2017 09:01 PM

Since we are going to give theories about this subject, here is mine.

Horse racing is afraid of technology. Track managers and horsemen think accurate information will ruin the sport. Since speed figures have become available the payouts have dropped, and lower payouts is why they lost attendance and are unable to attract new customers. If they allow accurate information to be widely available their sport will continue to decline.

cj 12-31-2017 09:16 PM

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Originally Posted by jay68802 (Post 2256044)
Since we are going to give theories about this subject, here is mine.

Horse racing is afraid of technology. Track managers and horsemen think accurate information will ruin the sport. Since speed figures have become available the payouts have dropped, and lower payouts is why they lost attendance and are unable to attract new customers. If they allow accurate information to be widely available their sport will continue to decline.

Smaller fields and too many restricted races are the biggest reason prices have dropped IMO.

JustRalph 12-31-2017 09:38 PM

Itís simple. They save 2 salaries by not giving a shit about timing. They would probably have to hire 2 people to fix it and then keep things up.

jay68802 12-31-2017 09:58 PM

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Originally Posted by cj (Post 2256051)
Smaller fields and too many restricted races are the biggest reason prices have dropped IMO.

True, But the fact remains that the track at Gulfstream does not move. And the ability to run races at a specific distance with a run up of x ft is easy to do. And it follows that timing of those same races is just as easy. If this was a one time thing then, well, let it go. But its not, it has been a problem that has been happening for years and it makes people wonder why.

thespaah 12-31-2017 10:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cj (Post 2256051)
Smaller fields and too many restricted races are the biggest reason prices have dropped IMO.

Racing secretaries are spineless when dealing with the horsemen.
They write races to suit the demands of the trainers. The horsemen want small fields.
That is purely my opinion.


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