| MonmouthParkJoe |
02-13-2017 06:26 PM |
Monmouth Park to cut dates
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| onefast99 |
02-14-2017 10:45 AM |
This is called living on the edge. Parx will once again offer purses that MP cannot go near, Belmont and Saratoga will as well. The turf will be used a lot more this upcoming season as well and that means some cheaper horses running on the carpet. MP will need VLTs to survive, no vote is needed on this type of machine as it falls under the NJ Lottery Commission. The future is in jeopardy and Sports Wagering is a must as well as opening another OTW and not in a sleepy little town like Hillsborough. Time to have a good plan for 2018, and not just another band aid like the million a day meet in 2010. MP also needs a true marketing plan, this is 2017 not 2007!
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| Redboard |
02-14-2017 12:19 PM |
Maybe when we get a new Governor in there, that might help.
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| SuperPickle |
02-14-2017 12:53 PM |
I've seen every operating trick in the book and I don't any that solve Monmouth's problem.
Btw... my hunch is the saw stall requests and asked for less dates. They know what's coming. Navarro is like 10-12% of their horse population. If he doesn't show up that's a killer.
I just don't see an angle that saves them. You've got three tracks within 150 miles that have slots and bigger purses. Not to mention Delaware, Penn Nat and Charles Town.
I refuse to believe the casinos will ever let them get slots and honestly its a moot point because the state would never let them keep enough of the money to make purses high enough to bring back the horse population. New Jersey has a massive pension deficit. There's zero chance of the state giving up enough of a revenue share to REALLY help the horsemen. After the state got theres followed by the casino operators the purse impact would be small.
On top of it you've got land that is massively valuable. Probably too valuable to run horses on for a couple months of the year. It's a resort/seasoal location so you really have minimal wiggle room on moving dates. Nights? But lights are a seven figure investment.
And on top of everything the state breeding program is already dead. I don't think they produced 100 foals in 2016. That may sound minor but it used to be 300-500 back in the day. And all 300-500 were bred to run at Monmouth. So you had a built in foundation of horses. Now that's gone.
The Meadowlands may survive because the state can't really put anything else there but Monmouth appears terminal.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by SuperPickle
I just don't see an angle that saves them. You've got three tracks within 150 miles that have slots and bigger purses. Not to mention Delaware, Penn Nat and Charles Town.
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Just FYI, Delaware and Penn are also within 150 miles (at least I think Penn is, Delaware definitely) |
| SuperPickle |
02-14-2017 05:25 PM |
Quote:
Originally Posted by cj
Just FYI, Delaware and Penn are also within 150 miles (at least I think Penn is, Delaware definitely)
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My point was they have smaller purses than Monmouth (at least I think. Penn has to be close.)
The other three have larger. I think NWX1 at Parx are high 40's maybe even 50. Today they can a PA bred NWX1 for 51. Laurel a little less. I think Monmouth was around 36. So even if slots or something gave you a 20-35% push you're still only about even. |
| MonmouthParkJoe |
02-14-2017 06:49 PM |
Quote:
Originally Posted by SuperPickle
I've seen every operating trick in the book and I don't any that solve Monmouth's problem.
Btw... my hunch is the saw stall requests and asked for less dates. They know what's coming. Navarro is like 10-12% of their horse population. If he doesn't show up that's a killer.
I just don't see an angle that saves them. You've got three tracks within 150 miles that have slots and bigger purses. Not to mention Delaware, Penn Nat and Charles Town.
I refuse to believe the casinos will ever let them get slots and honestly its a moot point because the state would never let them keep enough of the money to make purses high enough to bring back the horse population. New Jersey has a massive pension deficit. There's zero chance of the state giving up enough of a revenue share to REALLY help the horsemen. After the state got theres followed by the casino operators the purse impact would be small.
On top of it you've got land that is massively valuable. Probably too valuable to run horses on for a couple months of the year. It's a resort/seasoal location so you really have minimal wiggle room on moving dates. Nights? But lights are a seven figure investment.
And on top of everything the state breeding program is already dead. I don't think they produced 100 foals in 2016. That may sound minor but it used to be 300-500 back in the day. And all 300-500 were bred to run at Monmouth. So you had a built in foundation of horses. Now that's gone.
The Meadowlands may survive because the state can't really put anything else there but Monmouth appears terminal.
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I couldnt agree more. Night racing would be an option, position itself as a tbred option at a time that is dominated by harness and maybe catch some of the west coast crowd with their export. Realistically their on track handle isnt huge and lets face it we leave in a simo world now, at least 98% of tracks do. That investment for the lights is huge and with so few days now I am not sure it would be a good move.
That being said, I like to be on track with a beer in hand at 11:30am when they open. I would hate night racing and doubt I would go much. It would kill everything I love about it. |
My opinion, if night racing were so great lots of tracks would be doing it. You aren't going to get many new bettors, but you will lose a lot of old ones. We also already have a pretty big test market for night racing. The results aren't very encouraging.
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| thaskalos |
02-14-2017 07:26 PM |
Quote:
Originally Posted by cj
My opinion, if night racing were so great lots of tracks would be doing it. You aren't going to get many new bettors, but you will lose a lot of old ones. We also already have a pretty big test market for night racing. The results aren't very encouraging.
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Having no thoroughbred night racing on Mondays and Tuesdays makes no sense at all to me. |
| MonmouthParkJoe |
02-14-2017 07:33 PM |
Quote:
Originally Posted by cj
My opinion, if night racing were so great lots of tracks would be doing it. You aren't going to get many new bettors, but you will lose a lot of old ones. We also already have a pretty big test market for night racing. The results aren't very encouraging.
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Well that's just it. You will alienate alot of the core fans that come out during the day. Most people are dining in the area at night or on the boardwalk. I cant see it working.
I know they are trying alot now with different events every weekend and while it does get people on track they dont bet. Small fields and the quality is certainly an issue.
Seems like a slow death at this point, unless something drastic happens. |
| EMD4ME |
02-14-2017 07:40 PM |
Quote:
Originally Posted by thaskalos
Having no thoroughbred night racing on Mondays and Tuesdays makes no sense at all to me.
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I totally agree. There is a market for it. People are home from work or retirees/pros are hungry.
I'd try running an A summer time track on a monday or tuesday night.
It's so annoying watching so few tracks in the winter and then BAM! 11 or more tracks are running in the summer on a saturday.
Why can't 1 or 2 of them run on a monday or tuesday NIGHT? (Besides the mountain-which is smart to do so).
I used to love those years where Sam Houston would run at 5 PM sunday or Penn ran on a non Wed-Sat night. |
| EMD4ME |
02-14-2017 07:46 PM |
Quote:
Originally Posted by MonmouthParkJoe
Well that's just it. You will alienate alot of the core fans that come out during the day. Most people are dining in the area at night or on the boardwalk. I cant see it working.
I know they are trying alot now with different events every weekend and while it does get people on track they dont bet. Small fields and the quality is certainly an issue.
Seems like a slow death at this point, unless something drastic happens.
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Tell MP to do something drastic. 1 race ON TRACK only with 3% takeout. Make every race a 10% takeout, ON TRACK ONLY.
Partner with local businesses. Example: Local ABC restaurant. Come to MP, wager $200, get a $100 dinner voucher for ABC restaurant (tracked by a player's card). Split the cost with the restaurant. Have the restaurant market the track. Menu items include the MP Superfecta 4 course meal etc. Have fine track artistry all over the walls etc.
MARKET, MARKET, MARKET. Hire a 19 year old, I'm serious, and put them in charge of social media. Believe me, that 19 year old will do a better job than the 94 year old "Marketing/Teller" who may be in charge.
I hate this as much as you MPJoe. I grew up on many trips to MP. Bob Weems: Theyyyyyy'rrrrrrre offffffffff (echo Theyyyyyyyyy'rrrrrre offffff)
The 4th race, an exacta race at 6F, will be coming up in 23 Minutes ta Post Taaaam. |
| ReplayRandall |
02-14-2017 07:49 PM |
Doesn't Lone Star park run at night? If so, how have they been doing lately? Hard to believe this track hosted the BC in 2004....
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| proximity |
02-14-2017 07:53 PM |
horsemen generally don't like night racing. it would probably be a last resort.
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| EMD4ME |
02-14-2017 07:54 PM |
Quote:
Originally Posted by ReplayRandall
Doesn't Lone Star park run at night? If so, how have they been doing lately? Hard to believe this track hosted the BC in 2004....
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Agreed but Texas racing is a complete and utter DISGUSTING corrupt joke.
Meaning, the state senator has been accussed of corruption.
Also, the ADW ban in Texas is an utter JOKE!
Here is a state where they HAVE ILLEGAL RACETRACKS. Not illegal places that take bets on real racetracks BUT ILLEGAL RACETRACKS in forrests.
They LOVE HORSE racing but are not allowed to bet. It's sick. |
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