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BCOURTNEY 07-23-2018 11:39 PM

Travers Stakes - Monomoy Girl
 
Real simple - Travers Stakes - Monomoy Girl poll.

PhantomOnTour 07-24-2018 12:29 AM

She will get run down at 10f

GMB@BP 07-24-2018 12:32 AM

I dont see it, she may be good enough but dont see any reason to do it. Its only a bit more money than the alabama, she cant win horse of the year so winning it is nice but doesnt do much. She should concentrate on winning the distaff, it takes a pretty special 3yo to win that race.

Spalding No! 07-24-2018 12:53 AM

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Originally Posted by GMB@BP (Post 2346017)
I dont see it, she may be good enough but dont see any reason to do it. Its only a bit more money than the alabama, she cant win horse of the year so winning it is nice but doesnt do much. She should concentrate on winning the distaff, it takes a pretty special 3yo to win that race.

A filly winning the Travers would be "nice"?

It's something that hasn't been done in over a 100 years...it would be historic, even if it didn't garner her HOY.

As far as the Distaff, Sacahuista, Spain, Unbridled Elaine, and Ajina all took the race without dominating the 3yo filly division, so it's not necessarily always a tough race. That said, this year's race will likely feature a couple of stout racemares in Abel Tasman and Elate, with some brilliance thrown in from Unique Bella (if she holds together and/or goes that route).

So the Travers may actually end up being an easier stunt to pull off with a fairly depleted 3yo male division come Travers day with basically Good Magic and a bevy of second stringers in tow...

GMB@BP 07-24-2018 01:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Spalding No! (Post 2346019)
A filly winning the Travers would be "nice"?

It's something that hasn't been done in over a 100 years...it would be historic, even if it didn't garner her HOY.

As far as the Distaff, Sacahuista, Spain, Unbridled Elaine, and Ajina all took the race without dominating the 3yo filly division, so it's not necessarily always a tough race. That said, this year's race will likely feature a couple of stout racemares in Abel Tasman and Elate, with some brilliance thrown in from Unique Bella (if she holds together and/or goes that route).

So the Travers may actually end up being an easier stunt to pull off with a fairly depleted 3yo male division come Travers day with basically Good Magic and a bevy of second stringers in tow...

I think older females have gotten tougher the last decade or, maybe its just me, but I think that is the toughest class year in year out.

I understand historic, I just dont know where that puts here in terms of being remembered, if Justify was in the race, well yea, then it would be talked about. If not its like Beholder winning the Pacific Classic. Nice work, not sure it mean much, they certainly dont talk about the last filly winning the travers, since as you said it is historic.

dilanesp 07-24-2018 01:27 AM

I think the Pennsylvania Derby would be a great target for her.

Spalding No! 07-24-2018 02:01 AM

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Originally Posted by GMB@BP (Post 2346021)
I think older females have gotten tougher the last decade or, maybe its just me, but I think that is the toughest class year in year out.

I understand historic, I just dont know where that puts here in terms of being remembered, if Justify was in the race, well yea, then it would be talked about. If not its like Beholder winning the Pacific Classic. Nice work, not sure it mean much, they certainly dont talk about the last filly winning the travers, since as you said it is historic.

No filly has tried in nearly 40 years. Davona Dale and Chris Evert in the 1970s were the last two I think.

I don't think anyone talks about horses that ran over 100 years ago, but they especially wouldn't with Travers winner Lady Rotha, as she didn't actually win the race.

Another horse won the race by open lengths, but the filly was put up on a DQ, ironically enough (see some of your posts in the Wickerr thread)...for interference in the first furlong.

Spalding No! 07-24-2018 02:02 AM

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Originally Posted by dilanesp (Post 2346022)
I think the Pennsylvania Derby would be a great target for her.

Certainly better spacing (by today's standards) than the Travers...

groupie doll 07-24-2018 04:05 PM

She's supposedly going to the Cotillion next...

Quesmark 07-25-2018 04:42 PM

No real reason to run her in the Travers when there are plenty of lucrative spots in the F/M division she can go in.MG was impressive in the CCA,but had everything going for her in that race,the Travers would be a different animal.
Maybe if she runs as a 4yo she can take a shot in open company,right now she would be best served sticking to her niche...

dilanesp 07-26-2018 06:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Quesmark (Post 2346724)
No real reason to run her in the Travers when there are plenty of lucrative spots in the F/M division she can go in.MG was impressive in the CCA,but had everything going for her in that race,the Travers would be a different animal.
Maybe if she runs as a 4yo she can take a shot in open company,right now she would be best served sticking to her niche...

You aren't wrong about the purses, but the open races are not difficult right now.

That's the point. One reason Beholder ran in, and won, that Pacific Classic was because the handicap division in California was full of retreads ripe for a good filly/mare to come in and beat them.

MG actually would have a very good shot of beating up on a bunch of 3 year old colts this year. They don't have to do this, of course, but the idea that just because it's "the Travers" it is automatically some tough race is quite wrong. The Travers figures to draw a very weak field of colts this year.

classhandicapper 07-26-2018 03:43 PM

I'm not so sure Monomoy Girl wants to go 10F, especially at Saratoga against males. But I do think she probably fits nicely in general with the 3yo males still running. At 8.5F-9F she's would be a major contender.

Tom 07-26-2018 03:45 PM

I voted YES so that maybe we can get a 6 horse field! :rolleyes:

BCOURTNEY 07-29-2018 12:23 AM

Wonder Gadot versus the boys in the Travers then, cool.

Robert Fischer 07-30-2018 07:52 PM

voted = yes


Race could use a speed that poses some threat.
Monomoy Girl or Promises Fulfilled could add a dimension to the race.

Wouldn't bet on either one, and they'd be long shots.


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