Mountaineer Big Show Bettor Down In Flames Again
 

Latest example was last nights 8th with a horse named Bobs Tiebreaker off at 2/5, finishing fourth, creating some big show pays.

Since this seems to happen about twice a week, I just wonder why (or how) someone would risk a large show bet for a 10% return (Mountaineer pays minimum $2.20)?

Any "bridgejumper" that decides to ply his trade in Mountaineer, has to be feeling more suicidal than usual...

Bridgejumping at Mountaineer on 5K claimers = Splat!!

Not defending it because I think you'll go broke.... but at $2.20 with some folks paying a rebate on the action (rumoured at some places) it is not that bad a show bet strategy.

And over the last two years 0.30 and under horses are 10 for 10, for a decent ROI if you are pounding.

Mountaineer is a nice track to go to and have fun, nothing else, the betting situation is for the insiders , of the insiders, by the insiders, if one expects to hit a big one there, forget it.

Try Harness Racing, it's more profitable then Mountaineer.

Most of the rebate shops don't give a rebate on a minus show pool.

some do, depending on what type of player you are. rember that adw's keep the breakage.

that being said, i am a bridgejumper, and i have never seen so many bad horses bet day after day, night after night with all the money on them. i suspect it must be the same people that are making these big minus pools and hedging their bets, because if you look at those races with the big money on them the rest of the horses in the races all have higher than expected amounts on them too.
of course we know that the only possible way mathematically to beat the world of parimutual betting is to be a bridgejumper because of the guaranteed payoff. yet still you have high risk to the reward. unless you are a pro like i am at bridgjumping i highly recomend that you stay away from them in either direction. net pool pricing has hurt the prices on bet against the bridgejumper. i guess that arapahoe must not be net pool because they had big and fair show payoffs after the horse blew up last week. i missed that opportunity last week, i would have cashed the big tickets had i seen it ahead of time.

I second this notion. Harness racing may indeed outprofit the Mount..

I watched Mountaineer yesterday evening having not followed it the last months. I honestly don't understand why any non-local would seriously play at that track. Half of the races seem fixed.

That cuts both ways.

Net pool pricing HELPS the bet-againster. If the odds-on favorite is out of the money, the (big) prices are virtually the same. If the odds-on favorite is IN the money, the prices on the other two horses are much better than they would be under the old scheme.

- InTheRiver68

Disagree. For the type of horse which runs there, the purses are actually pretty good.

I am a non-local and actually do fairly well there. It's a matter of discipline (as always. don't bet every race) and learning the players. Their simulcast show (race commentary) is pretty good as well.

I would love an explanation of "seem fixed"

Mnr has its share of trainer tomfoolery, and I have been privy to short notice on some of it a few years back, so I know they do some goofy stuff. But I would love to hear your explanation of how you determined a race fixed ?

they aren't the same, they are less, i don't have the exact percentage. but ARAPAHOE is not net-pool and they returned full value to the payoffs of the horses that did not have the big money on it.

I beg to differ, but I may be wrong.

The biggest impact net-pool pricing has is that the non-favorites will pay more than $2.10 when the favorite (with heavy show wagers) finishes in the money. When the favorite runs out, the difference between standard prices and net pool prices is very slim, and in fact net pool prices may be higher. I'll illustrate it if I get the chance today.

- InTheRiver68