Planned Parenthood bill, passes
 

Trump will sign a bill tomorrow that will severely cripple Planned Parenthood.

Another promise kept

One of us is part of the problem.

Abortion doesn't need public funding. Planned Parenthood does plenty of other good things that I have seen. Personally I don't like sweeping generalizations.

We don't want public funding for abortions...and we don't want public funds to support unwanted babies. So...what happens to these unwanted babies after they are born?

They get condemned.

Ahh...OK then. :ThmbUp:

It's funny how that works isn't it? Pro lifers want to keep potential future welfare recipients alive. The bitching cycle never ends!:cool:

It would be funny...if it weren't so TRAGIC. The "pro-lifers" are overwhelmed by "love" for the unborn babies...but they want nothing to do with them once they are born.

What is the problem? The law says no federal funding of abortion. PP does abortions. Funding is fungible. You can't, excuse the expression, build a wall between the various expenditures within an organization and say that the money from this source of income goes only to that area of spending.

If PP wants federal money, it needs to spin off its abortion operations into a totally separate, independent organization with 100% private funding.

That may be another viable way to offset the madness of murdering your baby...Perhaps that may go along way in evening this thing out

I don't have the answer, but to kill your baby for the sake of irresponsibility or inconvenience is a heinous crime In My Opinion...

I object to have to pay for that..!!!!!

For the people using abortion as 'birth control' and 'family planning', maybe planned parenthood can start doing sterilizations.

Why should I pay for someone else's mistakes? If they can make a baby, then they can fund the abortion. I have no issues with their right to an abortion, even if I wouldn't myself. However, I should not have to pay for their mistakes. Maybe we'd have less babies being borne into poverty if more people suffered more of the consequences of their actions. I hear many couples are lining up to adopt babies, even to the point of going overseas. Why not streamline and cheapen the adoption process in the US to allow more of these aborted babies to come to full term and be adopted? That is a better use of tax money imo.

this is exactly what I've been screaming for years.:ThmbUp:

yep, do that instead of abortions. and supply birth control if nothing else. as long as abortions are being done in the same building they can't separate the federal funds from non federal funds for abortions. let the liberals donate the cash for the abortions since the so desire them

I haven't seen the specifics of the bill, but I do know that Trump frequently complimented Planned Parenthood during the campaign on some of the things they do.

Truer words have never been typed here.

The Pro-Life rail and rail but you don't see them becoming involved in foster care, or considering adoption of even a preschool or elementary age child. Sure, maybe there would be some interest in newborns.

Still, good luck little ones. :(

And you know this, how?

How come the pro-choice extremists NEVER interview parents who murdered their unborn children twenty years down the road? I have spoken to many of them and they ALL regret what they did. 100% Many of them have serious emotional issues.

One well known example is the instigator of Roe V Wade who became pro-life.

I bet you have. :rolleyes:

Huge problem.

My prescription would be to stop normalizing having kids out of wedlock as we have done in recent decades, start promoting charitable contributions heavily, start promoting good foster care, and allocate significant funds to care for unwanted babies until we change the culture and reduce the problem (which could be a very very very long time given all the damage we have done).

In my idealistically delusional libertarian la la land (the difference being that I know my version is la la land as opposed to liberals who are in la la land now but don't know it) the culture would be changed, the problem would be reduced, and successful people would be so generous there would be no need for a government stop gap.

Well...that's where these ever-so-loving don't-wannabe mommies get to exercise their free choices. What do they love more: their unbridled sexual freedom or their infants?

It makes too much sense and takes control away from the U.S. government. Don 't forget: Identity Politics is about the government having the power to manipulate and control their constituents. Plus all women with unwanted pregnancies are victims, don't you know?

Abortion is one of those issues where I agree with Democrats. I am not religious so I don't have those type beliefs influencing my decision. I cannot fathom how forcing a women to give birth to an unwanted baby can have good results. Pregnant women who want the children can be quite irrational because of the changes they go through. Do you really want to force drug users to carry children to term?

It is probably a small group that feel abortion should be illegal and not allowed.

It is probably a much larger group that feel the country should not give money to Planned Parenthood SO THEY CAN DONATE TO DEMOCRAT CAMPAIGNS to get future increased payments.


Trump needs to should stop any public funding if some of that money goes back to political campaigns.

You have an extremely good point, Inner. Granted, I'm a mother of just one child, and he has Down Syndrome. This is a tough subject because my son is incredible! A love, a joy like no other.

I firmly believe that the only thing on this earth that is more tragic than an abortion, more traumatic for all involved, is a baby, a child that is not wanted. That child doesn't ever know love, care and attention. As someone noted, he or she is "condemned" from the very beginning.

Do you all, others here, think the only office that abortions take place daily is at Planned Parenthood? If so, you'd be profoundly mistaken. Doctors recommend them everyday, and quietly perform them upon reviewing Amniocentesis and Chorionic Villi Sampling test results with couples. Everyday doctors bring unwelcome (to many) news to parents that there is an abnormality. So, unborn lives are terminated. These babies may have Down Syndrome, Tay Sachs, Spina Bifida, Cystic Fibrosis, Cerebral Palsy, etc, etc.

Taking a life is taking a life, no matter who pays for it. That life is the same regardless whether it's Blue Cross & Blue Shield or Planned Parenthood.

JessHawsenArown, says he's talked to many.... I bet he hasn't talked to as many of these women as I have--women who needed my help. Women who I've sat with, holding their hands. I counseled a young doctor, years ago, who dearly loved his newborn son. However, his wife was so ashamed their son was born with Downs. "This doesn't fit into my plan of how our life is to be. IT just doesn't."

I loathe people who stand on street corners when they've experienced little--in real life.. :bang:

The majority of abortions, gentlemen, as I've told many, "you never, ever hear of." Their babies are silenced--including the impoverished and the well to do. :( (Thank you all for reading my thoughts.)

totally not true. I know many pro-lifers that have adopted or fostered kids of all ages. couple weeks ago I inquired about adopting five siblings that they didn't want to separate.

the government needs to fully fund research for a birth control shot that can be given once a year. If a woman wishes to receive welfare benefits, and is unemployed, she has to take the annual shot. That would solve numerous social issues in this country as well as financial ones.

That is the real point on many of these issues. It is about govt control of our everyday lives. I wish our liberal friends could admit the changes over the last 50 years where charity and being a good citizen were in the forefront of our national minds (remember Kennedy), but has now been pushed to the back of society's thought process and instead replaced with the, "govt is better able to allocate the resources and understand how best to deal with the problems". I don't agree with the notion that the federal govt knows best, and I challenge anyone to give examples of when the feds got it right over private efforts.

I applaud you!! But, I'm sorry, if this were totally not true, if this was the norm, of many pro--lifers, we would not have a problem, state to state, county to county, nationwide of foster care programs in need.

It seems that the aging process of couples who've been foster parents for years is a factor. Younger couples are not as interested. To be honest, prolife or prochoice, it doesn't matter. Every child deserves a home.

This is one opinion piece.

https://chronicleofsocialchange.org/...er-homes/20504

How 'bout we sterilize the drug users instead of punishing the innocent human life within their womb?

the problem now is that there are 54 million on food stamps alone. and reproducing like flies. there aren't even enough pro-lifers in a position to even foster kids. Sure there are many that are and don't. That's why something has to be done on the front end. Even if it's giving them the morning after pill every damn day :)

You may doubt how many with whom I have spoken. But do you doubt that their despair is not universal?

Like an infection and scourge on America now...What has happened to common sense and taking responsibility for your life's decisions...?

Now it is Drugs and Freebies, for All Americans...

Go screw your brains out, take a lot of drugs, LIfe is GOOD...

What good is a baby born to a crackhead? Should we KILL IT ?...When we ask that questions such as these in earnest, then we ARE TRULY LOST as a God fearing/loving Nation...

Why should we be a "God fearing/loving Nation"?

Religious belief should be a PERSONAL choice...not a national mandate.

Especially when the last administration wants to turn the USA into muslim country.

Yes...I noticed that. Luckily...I fought hard and they couldn't convert me. :ThmbUp:

It is, and imho, it is a far better choice than just slinging your hands in the air and declaring that we should just get on with it, and murder our offspring because it is too much work to have them any longer...

That is what I hear from many of you...Pity

How can anything in life improve with a mindset such as this one...Kill your baby..

When was the last time you walked into a large medical center's NICU?

You obviously haven't at any time recently. Otherwise you would know that more babies are born everyday now that are heroin addicted rather than crack addicted. Some of these babies survive, some do not.

As for your last quote, I'm sorry but you don't read well. I don't need your pity as, I, the only woman who has commented in this thread, and the only mother whose child is special needs, have not suggested to a living soul...kill your baby.

I need a license to drive a car.

I need to be 18 to vote.

I have to have a passport to travel internationally, and some form of ID to travel within the United States.

Yet..., I don't need anything, not even consent from a partner (yes, children are born out of rape), to have a child.

Why not require at least a license to have a child? A child, which is the most important investment anybody can make in their entire lives.

Numerous studies have been done, and children born out of wedlock, and in poverty, are doomed from the beginning.

Be PC all you want, but there are gene pools that simply don't need to be reproduced.

Just for the record, the thread wasn't about abortion. It was about Trump fulfilling another promise.

No matter how you feel about abortion, Planned Parenthood is an obvious kickback scheme that benefits Democrats. No different than Solyndra, Amtrak and "the arts"

There are segments of our society that are disproportionately damaged by abortion. They encourage reckless behavior and create a permanent under class and the open availability of abortion makes it easy.

http://abort73.com/abortion_facts/us...ion_statistics

Read some of these stats and think about them. 40 percent are frequent flyers.

37% of pregnancies in New York City ended in abortion. ARE YOU ****ING KIDDING ME?

"WHO IS DOING THE ABORTIONS?
The number of abortion providers declined by 3% between 2011 and 2014—from 1,720 to 1,671 (AGI).
In 2011, 42% of providers offered very early abortions (during the first four weeks’ gestation) and 95% offered abortion at eight weeks. Sixty-four percent of providers offer at least some second-trimester abortion services (13 weeks or later), and 20% offer abortion after 20 weeks. Eleven percent of all abortion providers offered abortions past 24 weeks (AGI).
Most abortions in the USA are provided in freestanding clinics; in 2005, only 5% occurred in hospitals, down from 22% in 1980, and only 2% took place in physician's offices (NAF)."

I'm not comfortable relying on a right wing Evangelical think tank to find stats on abortion. It is a medical procedure, therefore, stats are at the CDC. And I trust this information more than I trust someone asking for a donation "to the cause".

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/65/ss/ss6512a1.htm

I don't see abortion and think...Democrat. Seriously.

I see abortion and think...a life ended.

We're all tired of paying for others, myself included.