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dilanesp 05-02-2020 07:22 PM

i am sick of Tacitus
 
How much money has that horse burned?

cj 05-02-2020 07:24 PM

Luckily, we have this thing called betting where you can cash in against him. :)

RunForTheRoses 05-02-2020 07:27 PM

There was no way I'd play so soon after the ship to the Mideast.

burnsy 05-02-2020 07:31 PM

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Originally Posted by cj (Post 2597184)
Luckily, we have this thing called betting where you can cash in against him. :)

Yup, I said in the other thread. Donít bet him til he wins one. Then heís the chalk vs a horse that rarely loses . Go figure :lol:.
Yay Tacitus..... Iím not sick of you. Just what I thought .

clicknow 05-02-2020 09:48 PM

I've never wagered Tacitus to win anything. But he shows up, he races, he runs. That's a lot more than you can say about so many other horses, who are whisked away to the breeding shed before they've run 6 career races. He's often good for ITM on an exotics ticket but not today.
So, you're sick of him entering races and running for our entertainment, I guess I don't get it.

burnsy 05-02-2020 10:23 PM

I agree Clicknow but betting him is a whole different matter. Iím 2 Mint Julep in now and well whatever. Tacitus seems like Iíve been making money off of him since Dust Commander was a yearling

NTamm1215 05-02-2020 10:40 PM

Objective race analysis is seemingly gone nowadays. If it wasn’t, it would be clear Tacitus actually ran relatively well today. The pace was exceptionally soft in the OP Handicap. It was over a half second slower to the half than the 2nd div of the Ark Derby and nearly a second slower to the half than the 1st division. The 1-2 finishers largely dominated the race on the front end.

Tacitus made, albeit an unthreatening one, the only real off the pace move in the race. He also did this off a 90+ day layoff which included a pit stop in Dubai after racing in Saudi.

Tacitus is a good, but unlucky horse. He also finds himself at the mercy of the race flow too frequently. There’s a major race out there with his name on it in my opinion.

GMB@BP 05-02-2020 11:20 PM

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Originally Posted by cj (Post 2597184)
Luckily, we have this thing called betting where you can cash in against him. :)

I know, dont get it, love horses who take a ton of money and never win. Isnt that the ideal for a bettor?

GMB@BP 05-02-2020 11:24 PM

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Originally Posted by NTamm1215 (Post 2597257)

Tacitus is a good, but unlucky horse. He also finds himself at the mercy of the race flow too frequently. Thereís a major race out there with his name on it in my opinion.

I am sure there is, his style is exactly what you want though in terms of horses that are a complete tease.

I would argue he is kind of run of the mill for a grade 1 horse, as you said there is a race that he will probably win with the right trip and setup, but I would argue it wont validate him much more than just the average good horse.

classhandicapper 05-03-2020 12:30 AM

He's had a few races that were better than they looked, but as a result he also developed a reputation that exceeds his actual ability at this stage.

When he's off the pace he has an excuse.

When he's on the pace he has an excuse.

When he's inside he has an excuse.

When he's outside he has an excuse.

When he has no excuse somehow he still has an excuse (and there were a couple of those too).

I didn't cash on the race, but a chance to bet against him was the reason I was in the race. I primarily used Mr Freeze and saved a little with Tax, but imo both the winner and 2nd horse were also both usable.

He'll probably eventually get a perfect trip against a weak group, but he's not going to beat legitimate Grade 1 older horses without getting quite a bit better. He's simply not that good right now despite the rep.

dilanesp 05-03-2020 12:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NTamm1215 (Post 2597257)
Objective race analysis is seemingly gone nowadays. If it wasnít, it would be clear Tacitus actually ran relatively well today. The pace was exceptionally soft in the OP Handicap. It was over a half second slower to the half than the 2nd div of the Ark Derby and nearly a second slower to the half than the 1st division. The 1-2 finishers largely dominated the race on the front end.

Tacitus made, albeit an unthreatening one, the only real off the pace move in the race. He also did this off a 90+ day layoff which included a pit stop in Dubai after racing in Saudi.

Tacitus is a good, but unlucky horse. He also finds himself at the mercy of the race flow too frequently. Thereís a major race out there with his name on it in my opinion.

Tacitus always has an excuse.

And at some point, horses that always have an excuse need to be treated as chronic losers and dropped in class.

Spalding No! 05-03-2020 01:36 AM

VIRTUAL SUCKER BET STAKES Ė 9 FURLONGS DIRT

1) BROTHER DEREK
2) CHAMPS ELYSEES (GB)
3) CHESTER HOUSE
4) DOLLAR BILL
5) GIACOMO
6) GOLDEN MISSILE
7) IRISH WAR CRY
8) KEEN ICE
9) KISSIN KRIS
10) MR. COMMONS
11) PAVEL
12) PUERTO MADERO (CHI)
13) SETSUKO
14) TACITUS
AE
15) POLITICAL FORCE
16) MUBTAAHIJ (IRE)

classhandicapper 05-03-2020 02:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Spalding No! (Post 2597283)
VIRTUAL SUCKER BET STAKES – 9 FURLONGS DIRT

I often think about the qualities that make certain horses "sucker bets".

Thy are typically horses that got over hyped in the media, overhyped by big name handicappers, or that won a prestigious race that happened to be very weak, but they also seem to lack something as racehorses.

To me it seems like an inability to overcome any real pressure or adversity and still finish well enough at the end to win at their current class level.

To win, you usually have to make a serious move into contention and sustain the run or engage and battle early. If you repeatedly come up empty late when you do that, it usually means you need a drop in class where the demands to get into contention are likely to be lower and you'll have a little more in the tank for the last 1/16th or 1/8th. Most of these horses run a lot of good races. They just can't get the job done without a drop because they lack the reserve racing energy do what it takes to win.

rastajenk 05-03-2020 08:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Spalding No! (Post 2597283)
VIRTUAL SUCKER BET STAKES Ė 9 FURLONGS DIRT

1) BROTHER DEREK
2) CHAMPS ELYSEES (GB)
3) CHESTER HOUSE
4) DOLLAR BILL
5) GIACOMO
6) GOLDEN MISSILE
7) IRISH WAR CRY
8) KEEN ICE
9) KISSIN KRIS
10) MR. COMMONS
11) PAVEL
12) PUERTO MADERO (CHI)
13) SETSUKO
14) TACITUS
AE
15) POLITICAL FORCE
16) MUBTAAHIJ (IRE)

That's a pretty good field full of burnt cash. I'm glad you got Dollar Bill in there. It was in his era that I joined the internet community and could follow racing more closely than in the prior few years, and was immediately stunned at the level of fandom bestowed upon him. Hence, he has been my benchmark for this kind of "honor" ever since.

HHE10 05-03-2020 08:48 AM

The only time I ever actually bet Tacitus was the derby. Was only a win bet but knew he wouldn't win the race because either Improbable or Maximum Security was going to win.

I should have done a tri since I had Tacitus and my mom had Code of Honour. Would have been a nice $11,475.30 for a $1 ($5,737.65 for 0.50 cents)


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