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BMustang 09-03-2020 10:00 PM

Belterra Must Have A Death Wish
 
To those of us who play the races at Belterra Park, it is home. We know the horses, jockeys and trainers, and occasionally can make a buck when the stars align and a good thing wins, such as Henny Heffner on Tuesday at 8-1.

The only downside is that we who play from home didn't get the chance to bet Henny on Tuesday, because the Belterra wagering platform was pulled from TVG and all other ADW sites I've been informed.

Belterra gets by with handle of about $500,000 a day under normal circumstances, but for the past three days, their on-track only handle has been $35,000, $25,000 and $26,000. Not $350,000 BUT $35,000. Pick Three and double pools are generating about $125 in action.

This is embarrassing, and should be embarrassing for Boyd Gaming, which was supposed to be horse racing friendly when they took over two years ago.

I was told by a Belterra insider on Tuesday, that it was the result of a dispute with the horsemen, and would be resolved on Tuesday and back up on Wednesday. Well, it's now gone three days without resolution and no word to the players via the website nor e/mail of the existing problem,nor plans to resolve it.

This is a shame, because Belterra Park is a nice place and holds a niche here in Southern Ohio and is part of the Belterra, Thistledown, Mahoning Valley circuit. I do hope they get this resolved and we can get back to providing their service to those of us who can't get the track, nor would want to bet into the meager pools if we could.

PaceAdvantage 09-03-2020 10:07 PM

Is this why they aren't racing tomorrow or Saturday....DERBY DAY...on LABOR DAY WEEKEND?

BMustang 09-04-2020 02:49 AM

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Originally Posted by PaceAdvantage (Post 2648884)
Is this why they aren't racing tomorrow or Saturday....DERBY DAY...on LABOR DAY WEEKEND?

No, their normal race days are Tuesday-Friday.
They have advertised for the past two weeks that they would not race live this Friday. This allows them to use the parking garage for drive-through wagering and to sell seats in the Race Book for escalated charges, and comp their high-roller slots players.

FakeNameChanged 09-04-2020 08:33 AM

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Originally Posted by BMustang (Post 2648939)
No, their normal race days are Tuesday-Friday.
They have advertised for the past two weeks that they would not race live this Friday. This allows them to use the parking garage for drive-through wagering and to sell seats in the Race Book for escalated charges, and comp their high-roller slots players.

Great business plan!

BMustang 09-04-2020 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by FakeNameChanged (Post 2648955)
Great business plan!

Actually they are better off on normal weeks when they get some national exposure on TVG TV earlier in the week. You would think however, that on big race days such as the Oaks and Derby they would want to take advantage of the large on-track crowd and race live as well as the holiday on Monday.

Management hasn't taken a visible interest in racing since Kevin Kaufmann retired/was run off.

The_Turf_Monster 09-04-2020 12:08 PM

That 8:1 price wouldn’t have closed at 8:1 if everybody sitting on their couch at home and the tech/modeling groups all threw their money in while they’re loading (followed by the obligatory post on here about past posting). It’d be nice to have a separate pool for on track wagering vs adw, and I’d be at hawthorne every day of the year that either breed is running in order to bet into it

Tom 09-04-2020 08:09 PM

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Originally Posted by FakeNameChanged (Post 2648955)
Great business plan!

You want fries wit dat Super?:lol:

BMustang 09-05-2020 04:50 AM

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Originally Posted by The_Turf_Monster (Post 2648990)
That 8:1 price wouldn’t have closed at 8:1 if everybody sitting on their couch at home and the tech/modeling groups all threw their money in while they’re loading (followed by the obligatory post on here about past posting). It’d be nice to have a separate pool for on track wagering vs adw, and I’d be at hawthorne every day of the year that either breed is running in order to bet into it

And I agree with you.

Actor 09-05-2020 05:27 AM

River Downs was my favorite track. I have not been back since they changed the name, tore down the grandstands and built the casino. I want to remember it the way it was. I would not be surprised to find that most of their income comes from the slots and they couldn't care less about the racing handle.

AMPHAR 09-05-2020 07:48 AM

Triple Crown races at the Old River Downs was a blast.

BMustang 09-05-2020 09:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Actor (Post 2649307)
River Downs was my favorite track. I have not been back since they changed the name, tore down the grandstands and built the casino. I want to remember it the way it was. I would not be surprised to find that most of their income comes from the slots and they couldn't care less about the racing handle.

Absolutely!!! The casino was built under the guise of supplementing the purses of the racetrack. To some degree they probably have, but the prime interest at Belterra Park is the casino and slots revenue. The racing end is considered and treated like a burden, and is definitely the scond-class citizen in the operation..

BMustang 09-05-2020 09:44 PM

Thistledown ran live on Derby Day and did $562,000 handle with no TV or national support. I'm sure they had a large on-track crowd, who also played the local product.

MONEY 09-05-2020 10:42 PM

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Originally Posted by BMustang (Post 2649636)
Thistledown ran live on Derby Day and did $562,000 handle with no TV or national support. I'm sure they had a large on-track crowd, who also played the local product.

I was able to bet Thistle Down today from Sam Houston.

BMustang 09-06-2020 04:22 AM

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Originally Posted by MONEY (Post 2649657)
I was able to bet Thistle Down today from Sam Houston.

I stand corrected and should know better.
Thistledowns was available on all of the ADW sites and via their normal simulcasting network, ergo the half million dollar handle. They were not carried on TVG TV I guess was my thinking, which obviously wasn't very clear. :confused:

BMustang 09-09-2020 04:17 AM

Week two of NO ADW wagering. Another $26,000 handle day.

I talked to my source at Belterra who informed me that management and the horsemen are still in discussions.

Most Pick 3 Pools had les than $150 in handle, and the Pick 6 (with a $294 carryover) generated $95 in new money.

How would you like to be the lucky Pick 3 player to select three consecutive longshots, only to receive $85???

I realize that Belterra Park is a very minor league track, and has sort of a cult following, but they do handle a half-million some days with TVG coverage and ADW.

We are making fools of ourselves.


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