NYRA to make adjustments
 

they finally got people interested in the game and now they take the money away from them. they might as well just split up all the money with the big trainers and not even bother running the races.

Sounds like excellent changes to me.

i am going to benefit big time with raise in top-rated purses this year in NEW YORK.

the NEW YORK breds that i am sending to the track are not worth the $75,000 purses that i am going to be running for in SARATOGA. the raise in purse for those horses are not going to bring anyone new to the game for a few years to come.

the way i look at things, the bottom needs to be strengthened and let it work its way up. trickle down in horse racing game has been failing for years.

if you told me that they would reduce the purses for the lower level to pay for regulating the inequities i would be all for it, but to cut purses at the bottom to make entry level allowance races $90,000 and stake races $600,000 is crazy.

If guys weren't abusing horses to make money with cheap horses, the purses never would have been an issue.

What NY needs do you own that will be running at Saratoga?

Pretty funny Jacobsen is the one complaining.

all 2 year olds

Let us know when you name them.

3 $7500 claiming races on a Sunday is not what I envisioned when they announced they were raising the purses.

statebred Mob Wife went down today after stopping in the shadow of the wire last two races.

not a very sound horse apparently but he had speed. Hope Dominguez is fine.

Two more horses today...one pulled up in the 7th...one went down right before the finish in the 8th...this is getting to be unreal...and beyond the realm of mere statistical anomaly...

This last one in the 8th race was bad enough, but then the injured horse got up and went directly into the path of an oncoming horse on the rail...looked AWFUL...

I don't see how(in claiming races) they could void a claim on a breakdown or lame horse, but on one hand ideas like that should be considered.

The claiming game has been 100X better with the purse money. There actually IS a claiming-game. But if this continues it is kind of like leveraging the health of the horses against the purse money for the connections. The sport itself does that quite well, and it will take some prudent thinking to maintain that dynamic safely.

TRAINER IS CHARGED WITH HORSE NEGLECT

By STEVEN CRIST (The New York Times); Sports Desk

October 17, 1981, Saturday

"David Jacobson, a horse trainer based at Aqueduct, has been charged with failing to provide food and medical attention to a thoroughred that had to be destroyed last month. The State Racing and Wagering Board ordered Jacobson yesterday to show cause why his license to train should not be revoked for mistreatment of the horse, Hugable Tom, a 6-year-old gelding who was destroyed Sept. 28. Jacobson is the son of Howard (Buddy) Jacobson, formerly a leading trainer in New York, who is imprisoned for murder. According to a spokesman for the racing board, the mistreatment of Hugable Tom, who had won 11 races at Aqueduct and Belmont in the last two years, first came to the attention of board investigators in August. At Jacobson's hearing, set for Oct. 28, the investigators are expected to testify that Hugable Tom was so neglected that other trainers and backstretch help took it on themselves to give the gelding food and water"

i think that the guy in 1981 was his father.

Thanks , something to consider.

i have no idea what is happening on Rockaway Blvd these days, i always loved the main track surface to train over. the track has always been great, it has been a very warm winter though and the inner has a little sharper turns and built for the cold weather the horses must be taking some bad steps and maybe the track maintenance crew needs to be doing something different when they harrow the track.

"So David Jacobson, who was away from racing for 25 years until 2007, saddled and won with his first steeplechase starter. Jacobson had been away from racing on a combination of a 1982 suspension from the state racing and wagering board and his own volition. A horse he trained back then, Hugable Tom, had foundered and died. Jacobson was charged with animal cruelty and suspended. Jacobson has said in published reports that it was a misunderstanding; that the horse had a bad knee and suffered a rapid onset of laminitis. He served his time, but then chose to stay away and sold real estate with his brother. His previous highlight came this spring, when he tied Linda Rice for the training title at Aqueduct's spring meet."

Read more: http://poststar.com/news/regions/sar...#ixzz1pVS6Q2Dy

You think wrongly.

you right, it was him back then. that is an awful long time to get ruled off the track and come back!

I don't believe he was ruled off for that long; he simply pursued other ventures.

Article in the Daily News this morning about the breakdowns, with a list of all, but you will have to update with today's....in the paper edition, anyways. I don't see the list on the web page.

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/mo...icle-1.1041699

I don't think the 8th was a breakdown, the horse just tripped. HRTV reporting both horses ok.

Blood horse
 

BloodHorse said the horse went down from exhaustion.

According to equibase. Shortened stride and fell heavily on the track. Trainer: Anthony Dutrow.

Not the father the trainer is the same one who that's racing now.trains.

Smartie Bobbie , vanned off in the 7th has a slab fracture.

Sorry I see that's been addressed .

So, we are going to reduce the size of the carrot in hopes that only the strong will chase after it ?

Has this been done anywhere else? And did it work?

This is what I heard as well...I still say it's a miracle both horses weren't seriously injured in that resultant collision after the exhausted horse got up...

18 track maintenance workers making over $100,000? :eek:

The father's name is Howard not David.

This I know and he was known as Buddy . I also don't believe David is the main problem here .

Can you elaborate on this?

Why do we need to stimulate low-level claiming racing? How would such stimulation cause top level racing to improve?

Linda Rice and Gary Contessa have spoken to reporters and neither blame the track surface.
Contessa would like to get rid of the bottom level racing and bring forth a better product .
Rice would like more stringent veterinary inspections . IMO , this is a key issue. She also thinks there should be more time between injections of cortisones and such before returning to the track.
Both trainers agree the added casino money that inflated the purses are probably contributing to the rash of breakdowns with horses running more frequently and larger fields of these same horses.

Where will the bad guys go now that the Gov's office is watching ? I'm sure a few will flee and they won't be missed.

BTW , Good on David Cohen for bringing Charmeren to the Vet after
the warm up concerned him. He didn't get into the gate the other day :ThmbUp:

bottom
 

If you have claiming races there will always be a bottom. In tomorrows first race there is a great example of what is wrong. On March 4 Papa's Nice Cat won a $52000 NYbred allowance race. A friend of mine who watches horses come back after the race told me that on a scale of 1-10 (with 10 being the worst), Papa got a 10. Seventeen days later Papa is entered for the bottom ($7500). Bet him if you want, claim him if you want, if he breaks down you lose but the biggest loser will be NYRA.

As long as the trainers can use drugs to stop the pain in race horse break downs are going happen at a high rate. A sore horse won't run a lick. A sore horse on pain killers who doesn't realise bad it is hurting will run it heart out until its injure causes it to break down. If you want to really reduce break downs, crack down on the use of pain killers.

My guess is that drugs are a big issue when it comes to horse breakdowns and not just the pain killing variety. The performance enhancing drugs get these horses to run faster than their bodies would naturally allow. Later on the horse's body pays the price for the use of drugs. This could result in breakdown or death

Drug testing needs to be massively upgraded and drug cheats need to cop lengthy suspensions. This is one thing that might lower the breakdown rate. And if it does not well it will improve the game anyways

Instead of shoving all the slot machine money into purse increases a portion should go towards improved drug testing to catch the latest and greatest drugs out there

when you look at the costs of developing horses these days, it is very expensive. it cost me about $15,000 per horse to get them to the track, about another $5000 to train them on the track before the first race. that does not include the purchase or breeding of the horse. that is for only 1 horse, if you have multiple horses you need deep pockets.

not many people have these deep pockets to invest in horses. if you claim a horse for say $10,000, you might need 3 weeks of training bills and you are in a race. if a new person does well with his claim, he might claim another horse, if he does well there he might tell his friends and that might eventually get in the business of developing young horses and get them to the track. this is just a way of people getting interested in the sport. up until slots, the game has not been able to attract new faces because it never made sense for someone to enter the game. with big money in lower level horses being offered, you will get new faces. it happened 2 years ago in MONMOUTH, it was happening in NEW YORK. the attendance at the racetrack had even gone up with the high purses.

i am just going by assumptions of what has worked years ago in horseracing. the game has gotten away from what worked in the past.
there are plenty of other things that are needed to attract new faces, this is just a start.

Going by your reasoning, wouldn't places that allow race day Bute have more breakdowns than average? States like California and Massachusetts immediately come to mind.

Don't think that's the case though...