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JustRalph 11-11-2019 12:34 PM

A little Socialism won't hurt ya....
 

OntheRail 11-11-2019 12:55 PM

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Originally Posted by JustRalph (Post 2535167)

Should send AOC that link... hell we should demand she and some others go there and Live the dream of the GND.

boxcar 11-11-2019 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by OntheRail (Post 2535176)
Should send AOC that link... hell we should demand she and some others go there and Live the dream of the GND.

She'd blame Trump and tell us that it's her patriotic duty to remain here in America to stop him at every turn so that we don't turn into a Venezuela. :rolleyes:

Dave Schwartz 11-11-2019 02:00 PM

No electricity?

Is this California?

Tom 11-11-2019 03:17 PM

We aren't all that far from that situation.
No one is addressing our infrastructure seriously.

Dems are not concerned with that, only phony impeachments.
Dems doing nothing to improve the nation - only tear it down.
Dems are nothing but repubs.
Neither party is worth a damn.

But, hey maybe you will get lucky and die in a bridge collapse before you freeze in the dark.

sammy the sage 11-11-2019 09:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Tom (Post 2535229)
We aren't all that far from that situation.
No one is addressing our infrastructure seriously.

Dems are not concerned with that, only phony impeachments.
Dems doing nothing to improve the nation - only tear it down.
Dems are nothing but repubs.
Neither party is worth a damn.

But, hey maybe you will get lucky and die in a bridge collapse before you freeze in the dark.

But you and other's keep voting STUPID party lines....yet you bitch and moan like a demo...:rolleyes::lol:

Tom 11-12-2019 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by sammy the sage (Post 2535306)
But you and other's keep voting STUPID party lines....yet you bitch and moan like a demo...:rolleyes::lol:

You have to vote party lines theses days.
Individual representatives ONLY serve the party, not us.
To not vote party line, I would have to vote for an independent, not likely to get anything done, or a 'rat, who would screw up anything he got involved in.

That is why we need term limits - one and done.
As long as we have parties and multiple terms, we will have the scumbags that we have today on both sides of the aisle. Remember, they are a club, no matter what party they are in. And we are not members. Congress exists for itself and itself only. Every repub will choose any 'rat over us on any issue any day.

WWE is more believable.
FAR more believable.

davew 06-27-2020 05:07 AM

an interesting interview with a lady from Venezuela that is seeing similar problems coming to USA



fast4522 06-27-2020 09:56 AM

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Originally Posted by sammy the sage (Post 2535306)
But you and other's keep voting STUPID party lines....yet you bitch and moan like a demo...:rolleyes::lol:

Why on Gods green earth someone trade their hand for yours. If going to the third party means handing more power and influence to the socialist side why would one do it? It sounds cute but that is the end result.

horses4courses 06-27-2020 10:46 AM

A little Socialism won't hurt ya...
and it doesn't. Each and every day.
Some are just too ignorant to see that.

I think back to when I'd waste my time
typing at length on here about the
examples of socialism that surround us
in US daily life. Like beating my head on a wall.

I'd also talk about the fact that many
liberals look upon capitalism as the best
possible system in which to live. Completely
socialist systems are stifling and don't last.

Capitalism needs tweaking, though.
In today's world, major corporations and
the very wealthy have it far too easy.
They need to contribute - not dodge.

RunForTheRoses 06-27-2020 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by horses4courses (Post 2624222)
A little Socialism won't hurt ya...
and it doesn't. Each and every day.
Some are just too ignorant to see that.

I think back to when I'd waste my time
typing at length on here about the
examples of socialism that surround us
in US daily life. Like beating my head on a wall.

I'd also talk about the fact that many
liberals look upon capitalism as the best
possible system in which to live. Completely
socialist systems are stifling and don't last.

Capitalism needs tweaking, though.
In today's world, major corporations and
the very wealthy have it far too easy.
They need to contribute - not dodge.

Here ya go, my brutha. You can thank me later:

https://mises.org/library/socialism-...gical-analysis

highernote 06-27-2020 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Tom (Post 2535388)
You have to vote party lines theses days.
Individual representatives ONLY serve the party, not us.
To not vote party line, I would have to vote for an independent, not likely to get anything done, or a 'rat, who would screw up anything he got involved in.

That is why we need term limits - one and done.
As long as we have parties and multiple terms, we will have the scumbags that we have today on both sides of the aisle. Remember, they are a club, no matter what party they are in. And we are not members. Congress exists for itself and itself only. Every repub will choose any 'rat over us on any issue any day.

WWE is more believable.
FAR more believable.

Politics between dems and repubs is like endless trench warfare. Gridlock.

You have to vote independent in order to give rise to a new party that can outflank them.

Think of it like a business. Why should I buy a shoddy, big name product (candidate A) because it is less shoddy than the other big name product (candidate B) if a great, less well-known product (write-in or third party candidate C) is available?

Tom 06-27-2020 04:57 PM

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Originally Posted by horses4courses View Post

In today's world, major corporations and
the very wealthy have it far too easy.
They need to contribute - not dodge.
How do you thing provides all the jobs?

Antifa? :bang:

Great example of socialism in Seattle - as long as someone ELSE provides the water, lighting, sanitation, food.......other than that, it works great.

You guys needs to look up the work autonomous.......you have no clue what it means. :lol::lol::lol::lol:

Tom 06-27-2020 05:00 PM

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Originally Posted by highernote (Post 2624232)
Politics between dems and repubs is like endless trench warfare. Gridlock.

You have to vote independent in order to give rise to a new party that can outflank them.

Think of it like a business. Why should I buy a shoddy, big name product (candidate A) because it is less shoddy than the other big name product (candidate B) if a great, less well-known product (write-in or third party candidate C) is available?

Because candidates don't matter - party matters.
A this party just that - the least powerful party of the three.
I used to believe in 3rd parties - but no longer.

Not feasible in my lifetime.
And when I'm gone, I don't care what happens to all of you!:lol:

highernote 06-27-2020 08:23 PM

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Originally Posted by JustRalph (Post 2535167)

A few thoughts... I am not convinced I have all of this correct, but it is something that occured to me after reading the link above and the one below...

Full socialism is not the answer to the economic problems in the U.S.

As a society, we do have a responsibility to look our for the well-being of everyone. That's why there are things like social security, medicaid, taxes to pay for highways, etc. We work together to serve the greater good.

But too much socialism is probably a bad thing -- like in Venezuela.

Capitalism is a better system, but it has to be reigned in. The nature of capitalism is to grow stronger and gain more control until finally one person owns it all and uses their wealth to control politics in order to maintain their position of power and control.

So we have laws to prevent monopolies. Companies that get too big and dominate the market are broken up into smaller companies.

This colum by Nassim Taleb (author of "The Black Swan") can be used to show why socialism for the rich and capitalism for the poor can partly be blamed for the rise of liberal movements like BLM and antifa and conservative movements like white nationalism and boogaloo.

https://medium.com/incerto/corporate...u-3b31a67bff4a

It all comes down to economics. Wars usually start because of economics. The Civil War was fought to end slavery, but slaves (cheap labor) were the economic backbone of the South.

U.S. companies eventually moved manufacturing to countries where there was cheap labor -- Mexico and Asia. That may have lowered the cost of manufacturing, but U.S. citizens actually suffered because there were less good paying jobs. So U.S. citizens had less buying power.

Then we had the housing and banking crisis and massive quantitative easing. The people who benefited the most were banks and bankers who got bailouts. The stock market rose to new heights and asset prices like luxury real estate also rose to new heights. But the rich were the ones who benefited the most from the rise in the markets. Poor people don't buy stocks or luxury real estate.

The mom and pop motels, restaurants, corner stores, landscapers, etc., are not politically powerful. They don't have lobbyists in D.C. fighting for them. Who bails them out when the country comes to a halt due to a depression or pandemic? There are calls to open up the economy and get back to work. This is like telling people you have to go into Chernobyl to clean up the nuclear spill. It isn't safe, but someone has to do it. It's the poorest and least powerful in our country that face the most danger of going back to work in restaurants, bars, retail stores, grocery stores, etc.

The poor and middle class people suffer the most. This economic suffering causes stress in their daily lives because they constantly have to worry about how they are going to manage to make ends meet. And now they have to worry about dying. The stress causes people to lash out more easily. Take a police officer who is under constant stress in his job and at home trying to pay bills and support a family. He encounters someone breaking a window or simply being beligerent and overreacts. He could die from the virus just by coming into contact with a person he is trying to arrest. In normal times the cop might reason with the person, but when the cop is angry and stressed it is not surprising that he would lash out quicker than he might otherwise in normal times.

And vice-versa. An unemployed or underemployed or underpaid person under constant economic stress finally reaches a breaking point. This is why riots and demonstrations happen. Mix these two volatile groups of people and guess what happens -- conflict and violence.

Meanwhile, the wealthiest and the political elite in the country are immune from all this until one day the subjugated figure out fighting each other is not solving the problem. So they go after the 1% -- think about what happened to Marie Antoinette or what Fidel Castro did in Cuba.

Think it can't happen here?


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