No NYRA video on 4njbets
 

Supposedly a dispute. Anybody know anything?

Same with HPI. Must be the horsemen or the execs. I know one thing, it isn't the horseplayer behind this.

WTF!!

When did this happen? I can't get it...

How long is this going to last?

What damn shame...no where to get audio at least? Used to be on the site...

No live NYRA video on NJBets
 

Signed on today and got this message; "NYRA Live Video no longer available...Watch on TVG & HRTV...replays at 4njbets.com & nyra.com"

Anyone know what is going on? NYRA video feed has always been available on NJBETS. Thanks.

Customers don't matter a hell of a lot do they?

at all.

My policy is, once blocked from a track, I NEVER go back.
If we could get the message out there, the half-wits who run the tracks/adw's/whatever might get it. It is everyone's fault - when you play catch with a turd, you get dirty.

I don't know, but it does really suck...

If you live in NJ and the fault lies with NJAW there isn't much you can do. If it is NYRA's fault I would tell them, no signal, no wager and like said elsewhere, I would find a new favorite running track to play forever. Sure I can watch Belmont on TVG at home, but why should I have to?

I am a harness fan, so some may wonder why do I care? Today it is Belmont, tomororw it could be Yonkers or any other trotting track.

Any news on this?

Where are our friends from HANA? Isn't this the kind of situation they were formed to address in the first place?

We will at the very least dicuss it as part of tonight's Board of Directors meeting. I would like to point out that this is not exactly the only issue out there at the moment as the racing landscape is littered with such issues and we can't hit everything at once. Regardless, the one thing I cannot stress strongly enough is that those of you who are personally affected by this should be pelting NYRA and the NYSRWB with a blizzard of letters and phone calls.

Thank you, but we're not even sure(but most likely they are) they're the ones to blame. We've been given no reason for the shutdown whatsoever. My friend asked at the 4njbets office at the Meadowlands saturday and was told (I'm not kidding) "what's the big deal? we take plenty of other tracks".

The people in the office only know what they are told regarding this. I think they owe it to their bettors to at least know what the problem is. What is funny is you can google all you want and you can't find out anything; you would think it was a state secret.

I asked Charlie Hayward what was going on. Hal Handel, NYRA Chief Operating Officer sent me the following email in response:


-jp

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Thanks for the Info
 

Thanks for the information, at least we know the why. Let's call it "The Case of the Accidental Pirate" :D I understand why it happened, they are showing the races they simulcast at the NJ tracks, so they probably consider NJAW an extension of simulcasting; hence not paying for the feed.

This may cause a problem for NJBETS, how many other signals are they showing the same way? Now that the problem has come to light, expect more signals to go dark.

This is insanity they claimed the same thing from Nassau OTb :bang:

The worst thing is I was at the Meadowlands this afternoon and there is the Belmont signal free and clear.

So no signal = less money you wonder why NYRA is in the shape they are. :ThmbDown:

To think I went to that place when you had to walk across the Cross Island Parkway from the auxiliary parking lot if you got there late on a weekend.

Hayward said, "We are scheduled to have a conversation with them later this week on this very issue."

Yeah no sense of urgency, is there, since it is the bettors that are inconvenienced. This industry is just more sickening each day.

The way I understand it, 4njbets is in fact an extension of MTH/MED simulcasting, so technically not an ADW. Each time you log on to the site, you have to affirm that you are currently located in NJ while wagering. Internet gambling is considered illegal in the state and we are not allowed to enroll at ADWs. This was the court approved way around it for horse racing.

NYRAs claim that they were unaware is hooey. NYRA denied us the signal once before, and after many complaints it returned.

So what is the difference between the NYRA signal at simulcast centers and on the internet extension? Should Monmouth and the Meadowlands deny NYRA their signal in return? Silly stuff, NYRA probably deciding to seek more cash wherever they can.

From Jeff Platt's post earlier in this thread, he got a reply from HAL HANDEL from the NYRA. Here's a sentence from that reply, with some gobbledyegook and baffegab in it, that I can't understand:

"Under aegis of NYSRWBD NYRA itself is prohibited from streaming its own races live to its own ADW customers thus raising bar on issue to a serious plane."

--Can someone please explain to me what this sentence means?


Thanks,


T2W

corrupt/clueless government in New York
 

New York state has enacted a protection scheme for the local OTB. The way the government protects OTB is by prohibiting NYRA from streaming video or audio of the NYRA feed to New York residents. The point is to force punters to patronize OTB parlors since they can not watch video at home. It makes no sense but this is par for the course when dealing with progressive government. They have little to no empirical or existential experience and really hurt horseracing with their blundering policy.

NYRA is already raking in lots of extra cash from their sleazy policy of incremental breakage rates, depending on the winning parimutuel payoffs at their racetracks. If you haven't already read about the NYRA's shady breakage policy, read all about it on their website and weep! Especially the part where it increases to 50 cent and dollar breakage. Unreal!

What with the NYRA's greedy breakage policies, along with their stingy live video policies, maybe they should be writing a new book entitled something like...'HOW TO LOSE CUSTOMERS AND INFLUENCE FRIENDS NOT TO BET THERE ANYMORE"


T2W

Samyn:

Thanks for the link to the article. Very interesting! :ThmbUp:

T2W

That's when 4njbets was hosted by Philadelphia's phonebet. Handel was in charge at Philly at the time. He's an incompetent hack just like he was in NJ.

Not Really
 

Actually, NJBETS is different. While they basically show the same tracks that are simulcast at NJ tracks, it is a separate company formed in partnership with the Meadowlands, Freehold and Monmouth Park which is being run by Scientific Games. Betting on the Meadowlands through NJBETS is treated the same as coming from another ADW with respect to how the commission is paid; not the same as if it is bet on track. This is why if you have a BIGM card and wager from home you don't get credit like you would on track.

I bet you it was not NYRA that raised the issue. Probably a complaint came to NYRA from one of the ADWs; why do we have to pay if others don't.

This stinks to high heaven. I have watched and played races from my home for since they started doing this a few years ago and love to do so when not at the track. I have been playing NYRA Tracks for several years. Not having the video is huge detriment. I hope they can get something done ASAP.

May I ask if you and others who are directly impacted by this chain yanking are still playing Belmont and if so are you playing at the same level?

I notice there is pretty much an absence of any sort of real news story on this disruption, but if you do a general web google on the subject of NYRA signal there are several similar past instances with other jurisdictions/entities, so this is unfortunately not a rare isolated occurence.

I have stopped betting NYRA since the live video was discontinued, and I've even stopped watching TVG when Belmont is running. I realize not watching doesn't affect NYRA, but that's what I've chosen to do.

I notice that the handle for Belmont is down about 5 million over the first 5 days of the meet over last year's figures. Don't know if it's because of disgruntled bettors or not.

I suppose I'm angry because I was going to take a break from any serious betting until Tampa after following Saratoga everyday. Then the morning of 9/10, I decided to buy the DRF Fall Special and play Belmont, and now this happens. At least I'm still able to download other tracks unlike the Saratoga Special which requires you to only download Saratoga. We'll see what happens.

I still made the bets I intended to make last week, considering I had already had the card and capped the races. I watched the replays, which is just not the same.

I can either go to the Meadowlands or do the same from home. I have to admit, not having the live stream could impact some of my playing in New York down the road, how much I do not know yet. I don't bet every race and I also play Monmouth.

Time will tell...

I've cut my Belmont play 95 percent. What really sucks is my elderly handicapped father who can't get a dish or get TVG or HRTV on cable where he lives (and who plays NYRA every day as his hobby) is totally blown out of the water by this.

I'll still play Belmont but only with plays that I really like. It's not much fun without the live feed, so I have moved on with the majority of my plays to other tracks. I normally would play Belmont alot during the Fairplex lull in So Cal.

Still no video...

Well if I can't see or hear the race, maybe I won't play...

I'm going on October 3rd

Bad News, Stevie...
 

If you're from NJ, when you go to Belmont you won't be able to see the races live. They put you in a windowless room and show you the replay 3 minutes after the race is official. It's ok, though, they're mostly statebred races anyway.

This is turture...

I can see every damn track in the nation, but the one 12 miles away in New York I can't. Whats wrong with this picture??

That was pretty funny. :lol:

Don't forget you have to check a box saying you are from NJ as well. ;)

So who's the one stopping the video from being streamed? The NYRA?

NYRA is no longer allowing the live streaming of its signal according to an email I received. I also called the 4NJBets office around 1PM on 9/11, and I asked if the unavailability was permanent, and the answer was "pretty much so."

I have searched far and wide for ANY article that pertains to NYRA and 4NJBets, and have found nothing.

THE FOLLOWING IS ONLY MY OPINION:

I think that just because the NYRA signal was available at the racetracks, the NJSEA assumed it could stream the video over the Internet. Nassau OTB and Capital OTB did that and were accused of piracy, but the the matters were resolved with them, but no streaming video was ever restored. That may be the situation here. You can Google Nassau OTB or Capital OTB to find the articles.I have no idea if there are any negotiations going on to restore the signal for 4NJBets, but I have chosen to believe that the signal will never be restored. I hope I'm wrong.

Is NYRA still streaming video to You Bet or Twinspires?

TS shows the replays after the race is completed Tom. Same as NYRA site.
Nothing "live". Ridiculous

Twinspires is live, at last it was yesterday...maybe a 2 sec delay

You can read per Jeffs earlier post -- NYRA is charging the ADWs extra to stream video. I imagine any ADW who is streaming live has paid NYRA whatever they are asking for the privilege.