Fractional Time Errors
 

AQU Dec 16 Race 9. Anyone think the 1st quarter is off by .80 - 1.00 ?

There is no way they ran 22.63, in my opinion.

Am I crazy? Yes, we know that is a yes. But am I wrong in this case?

Figure we can create a thread totally dedicated to fractional errors to help one another.

Too late to edit...

Not blaming NYRA. Just mad at Equibase.

I'll check this one out, let you know what I think.

I find these ALL the time. Here is a recent example...Fair Grounds Race 1 on December 27th. The final time per video was 1:14.17, but the chart shows 1:14.77. Doesn't seem like a big deal but it was obvious when I did the speed figures there was an error and 3/5ths is a big one.

Most of the "errors" I find these days are just fat fingers by the Equibase chart caller. There are probably 15 to 20 a week.

Interesting on the Dec 16 race, this is one I missed for sure. I have pace figures for the race like this:

1/4 126
1/2 79
Fin 80

That is one I should have checked, but I'm only one guy and I don't get them all. Most of the ones I catch are the 2nd call and the final time because those are the ones that impact my speed figures.

This one was easy, I watched the video and it comes up 23.63, but the chart shows 22.63...clear fat finger. I'll definitely update this is my data and fix the figures. Tough game gets tougher with bad data.

CJ, YOU ARE AWESOME. Equibase, S***S...

Fat fingers and fat brains involved in this one :bang: :D

I try...I'll harp on this until they finally put a better QC system in place. The one they have now is inadequate, and that is being kind.

I redid the day, that first quarter pace is figure will now show as 88. The other two are unchanged.

Excellent, thank you. Knew I wasn't losing my mind with that one.

Now can you kindly give me the winner of the last 6 races tomorrow :D ?

I figure I'd ask while the iron is hot :D

I haven't even looked at tomorrow's card yet, I'll post a few I like when I do.

Here is another one that outofthebox pointed out could be in error, 12-23-2015 at Delta Downs Race 8.

http://www.deltadownsracing.com/medi...ng-and-replays

You can go to the video there. Watch when the final time pops up on the screen. There winners takes about 2 or 2.5 more strides before hitting the wire. How does nobody making the chart notice this, or at least someone on track alert the chart guy?

That sort of brings into question the integrity of the finish, that's for sure. Not only for charting purposes, but what about the photo? Isn't the timer supposed to be tripped by a photo electric beam at the finish? It looked like someone manually stopped the timer, and the display popped up.

Brings back memories of the infamous "short trip" race in the fog, which was "won" in near track record time..... :D

http://www.apnewsarchive.com/1991/Jo...65948d9a762105

I don't think the photo finish camera and the timer are tied together in any way.

It's just sad really. I get it, shit happens, but how are these things not caught?

Now that you mention it, doesn't the photo finish mechanism get tripped slightly before the wire to ensure it's running as the horses cross the finish line? Maybe it stopped the timer instead? You're right though, those two systems should be independent of each other.

I don't look at this as some sort of "mistake" or screw up. This is rather unsettling, and warrants an explanation from the track officials. Which I'm confident will not happen.

Total incompetence CJ. That's how.

In the final hours of 2015, here is the POST OF THE YEAR!

This is a good idea - keep a thread going of the mistakes made by the data whores at EB so we can update our databases.

I guess they charge extra for correct information.

EB, when Denny's is closed. :rolleyes:

The times for the 10th today at Gulfstream are absurd. There is no data currently on the Trakus charts, but the times in the Equibase charts came from somewhere and they are a joke.

I appreciate the kind words Mr. Tom but my post is near # 5000 or so.

It's just SO annoying to NOT be able to even trust a PP line.

I mean, HOW MUCH (TITLE OF FEMALE PARENT) (RHYMES WITH DRUNKEN) work does a horseplayer need to do?????

Now I need to not only watch a replay 5 times of every horse, I need to have my stop watch out to time all quarters for these MONETARILY COMPENSATED USELESSLY INCOMPETENT SHERIFF ROSCOE P COLTRAINE, IDIOTS?

I'm tired. I don't have an extra 30 hours a week to invest.

I just looked at that whole day, and that R1 M40 22.88 looks funny offhand - heading to Trakus now to verify it. R5 demands double checking as well.

At while ago, Doug S. posted on Derby Trails an idea where he looked for pace rating 30 points above the final rating for key race. I took that to heart and do a report where I look at all the races to find such spots, but looks like I ust added a step to that process whereby those race will need to be verified by another source.

Hats off for the catch, and Happy New Year!

Just FYI...that Trakus times are the times in the charts, there is no other source at Gulfstream any longer.

That's OK, I never stopped boycotting Gulfstream. :D

I have bet one race there since Dec 5th. Hate the fact they REFUSE to properly time a race.

But what do they care, they handle too much because the weather is just fine down in Florida.

Delta did it again last night..7th race another 5f dash and you can see the timer stop a few strides before the wire. Between the chart caller missing bad breaks and steadies, and now the timer issue, you can find yourself some juicy bets and throw outs. I've mentioned the timing issue to the dir. of racing, but in one ear out the other..

I agree, many gems are found via their errors but after a while, it really does get annoying.

One here and there is understandable. There's just too many timing errors at too many tracks.

A guy has a job to do chart for one track, 9 activities a day, and he can't get it right. Another nephew working at Delta. Hey, where else could total incompetent find work if it weren't for the racing industry and Equibad? They would all be on welfare, but at least no doing any damage. :lol:

Delta is on my list on No-play tracks.

Yeah, it can be a find, but most of the time figure guys like me or Beyer or whoever know something is fishy and it is built into the figure anyway, so the value isn't as much as people pretend. It just gets super annoying.

I like the chart errors, from a trip note perspective. Hope they keep being lazy.

I'm fine with that, those are subjective mostly, it is the factual stuff that annoys the hell out of me.

TRAKUS had the leader at the 1/4 in 23.54
https://www.nyra.com/aqueduct/handic...ueduct-trakus/
Equibase had the leader at the 1/4 in 22.63....Weird....Both sources had the winner breaking the beam in 1:12.86
http://www.equibase.com/premium/eqbP...&RACE=A&BorP=B

I already pointed out this was just a typo by the chart caller, the 23 and change is right on the replay.

The point I was making was 22.63 is a typo. The actual is 23.63. However TRAKUS had the opening quarter in 23.54

This is actually very common. Trakus rarely matches exactly with the track timer.

I get the feeling this is eventually going to be the 2nd longest thread behind "religion" in the OT area. :lol:

Which do you consider to be the more accurate?
Trakus or the electronic timing of the facility?

Depends what you want...for the exact time the leader hits the beam at each call, the track timer. For the horses not in the lead, I prefer Trakus. I personally like to use the track timer for the official calls, then use the time behind from Trakus to figure out the real times of the also rans. If that doesn't make sense I can explain later.

The above is for dirt. On turf, once the rail moves or the distance is listed as "about" in the Equibase charts, I prefer Trakus times.

Equibase has taken steps to fix (as best they can) all the faulty times listed in this thread.

I'd like to see how EQB can resolve the Delta ones, but that's good to hear.

I meant that it looks like the races are being hand-timed using the tele-timer or there's a wacky malfunction for it to be posting official finish time prior to tripping the actual finish cell.

That is why I threw in "best they can" 😀

That's about the time i kept coming up with. Good for them.. You know the other night the time went up early again at a 5f race but they caught it right away this time around..

Yes, they did. There are times it helps to talk to people that can actually help. I did that and hopefully it pays off. It is an equipment issue and hopefully will be fixed very soon. Thanks for bringing this up with me!