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Half Smoke 01-04-2022 10:33 AM

help me understand Derby faves
 
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according to my google search KY Derby faves have won 56 of 146 times or 38.3%

I believe overall in racing the % is about 33%

this factoid about the Derby seems really unlikely to me
of course it could just be a statistical anomaly
but I tend to doubt it


the think that makes it so amazing to me is that there are usually 20 or close to 20 horses in the field

you would think (anyway I would think) that with such large fields the % of winning faves would drop

why didn't the very large fields cause the % to drop?


thanks


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Johnny V 01-04-2022 10:39 AM

I believe you will find that overall in racing the percentage of winning favorites is now close to 38%.

ranchwest 01-04-2022 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Half Smoke (Post 2777837)
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according to my google search KY Derby faves have won 56 of 146 times or 38.3%

I believe overall in racing the % is about 33%

this factoid about the Derby seems really unlikely to me
of course it could just be a statistical anomaly
but I tend to doubt it


the think that makes it so amazing to me is that there are usually 20 or close to 20 horses in the field

you would think (anyway I would think) that with such large fields the % of winning faves would drop

why didn't the very large fields cause the % to drop?


thanks


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1) It is the most analyzed race in North America, possibly the world.

2) With the prestige of winning comes an all out performance from the trainer and jockey and therefore the horse.

burnsy 01-04-2022 12:56 PM

It wasn’t always 20 horses 🐎, derby fever pretty much caused the point system. The other thing is there is an ebb and flow to favorites winning. Recently, with the points it’s been kind of chalky. Years ago when any speedball could enter the race would pace melt more than it does now. There was a period when I was younger that the chalk was practically a toss.

46zilzal 01-04-2022 01:32 PM

The average 'capper is overwhelmed by recency...Many winners did not win their last outing before the big dance.

cj 01-04-2022 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by 46zilzal (Post 2777873)
The average 'capper is overwhelmed by recency...Many winners did not win their last outing before the big dance.

Isn't that the opposite of the original poster's point? It doesn't seem like bettors have been overwhelmed at all by the Derby.

the little guy 01-04-2022 02:38 PM

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Originally Posted by cj (Post 2777874)
Isn't that the opposite of the original poster's point? It doesn't seem like bettors have been overwhelmed at all by the Derby.

Not only that, the majority of recent winners entered the Derby off a win.

Accuracy is rarely a prerequisite.

v j stauffer 01-04-2022 02:47 PM

Way back in the day.

There were many very short price favorites and many very short fields.

Michael 01-04-2022 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by burnsy (Post 2777867)
It wasn’t always 20 horses ��, derby fever pretty much caused the point system. The other thing is there is an ebb and flow to favorites winning. Recently, with the points it’s been kind of chalky. Years ago when any speedball could enter the race would pace melt more than it does now. There was a period when I was younger that the chalk was practically a toss.

I was under the impression that the point system is the reason the race is so warped as of recent.

rastajenk 01-04-2022 07:15 PM

Warped? How so?

Michael 01-04-2022 08:07 PM

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Originally Posted by rastajenk (Post 2777928)
Warped? How so?

In that it changed the type of horses that ran in it. I mean I'm just basically agreeing with the quote in the post. Maybe warped is a poor choice of word on my part.


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