Actually, it was more than 2. But be that as it may, even if it were one, what is the big deal? He fulfilled his mission. He fulfilled all the prophecies. Even his gospel message and his church has gone throughout the earth, as He prophesied.

If I lived up north, I could take all your straw men and burn them as fuel for many winters to keep warm.

Meanwhile, who did you say is saving you from your sins?

Boxcar

I was in the process of correcting my earlier post when I was interrupted by a telephone call :mad:, and the "Edit" option timed out before I could make the intended emendations. Al, I can see that, as a classicist, you've progressed well beyond the schoolboy parsings I attempted--nearly 40 years ago--in Father Kelly's 11th-grade Latin class. Thanks for setting me straight about the eclogue's being directed at M.A. et uxor. :ThmbUp:

By the way, here's hoping tomorrow turns out to be your best birthday yet. :cool:

I didn't say... :)

Why thank you. I generally hide on my birthday and celebrate the next day. I like to avoid what flows in the streets on that day.

Rivers of green- (and black-and-tan-) tinged abdominal spewings?

Erin go brew!

Why should it matter to a believer how another religion views these passages? That the prophecy is true for YOU is what counts.

IMO, the entire message of Micah can be summed up in one verse:

6:8

And you do that perfectly all the time, do you?

Boxcar

Of course not. Nobody's perfect, not even God.

If a supposedly prophetic passage is not objectively fulfilled at some point in a manner verifiable by anyone, the author of that passage is not worth listening to. (That is the same criteria that God gave to the people of Israel to distinguish false prophets.) It is that objective fulfillment that verifies the authority of the speaker.

Could you give an example or elaborate on that, please?

I'm glad you began your response with supposedly.

Dude, it's ALL supposed. Religion is based on faith. The bible was written, redacted and more importantly, is interpreted by man.

I would make the case that Hitler, Stalin and Mao were mistakes of the highest order.

Where does man's responsibility for his own conduct enter into the picture? Or are you speaking of God not directly intervening to stop those atrocities?

So you're saying that not just Christianity, but also Judaism itself, are both gigantic cases of backfitting, and that there are no recorded instances of before-the-fact prophecies of events that subsequently became historical truth, or of God providing mankind with standards of behavior to follow. Why do you characterize yourself as a Jew, then? What part of Judaism do you consider true? What do you draw your personal moral code from, or where did Judaism derive its moral standards?

Yes, a great deal of religion is based on faith, but not all of it. God has taken the initiative to provide man with information that he could not observe or deduce on his own, and that information is sufficient for this life.

I'm speaking of God's not intervening prior to their having been born. ;)

An omniscient God would know, have known, correct?