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cj 11-14-2017 03:43 PM

Betting with an Edge --- Mike Maloney
 

CincyHorseplayer 11-14-2017 03:45 PM

Bought it! Thanks for the tip CJ.:ThmbUp:

thaskalos 11-14-2017 05:57 PM

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Originally Posted by cj (Post 2241346)

I will supply a thorough book-review as soon as I read it. :)

detective 11-24-2017 12:01 PM

betting with an edge
 
Hi, Any one that has the book can you tell me if there is any good handicapping methods or money management or is the book just babble about this and that...Thanks

cj 11-27-2017 10:24 PM

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Originally Posted by detective (Post 2244827)
Hi, Any one that has the book can you tell me if there is any good handicapping methods or money management or is the book just babble about this and that...Thanks

Not sure why it would be just babble about this and that, but I'm sure thask will give an honest assessment.

FakeNameChanged 11-29-2017 08:08 AM

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Originally Posted by detective (Post 2244827)
Hi, Any one that has the book can you tell me if there is any good handicapping methods or money management or is the book just babble about this and that...Thanks

Listening to the above podcast gives some insights. Sounds like one chapter on the mentality needed to be pro level gambler. And how to address that with prospective spouse and gf or bf. Pretty sure I've not seen that before.

CincyHorseplayer 11-29-2017 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by detective (Post 2244827)
Hi, Any one that has the book can you tell me if there is any good handicapping methods or money management or is the book just babble about this and that...Thanks

Forget yet another handicapping the races book. We need more "playing the game" in real life and real time books.

thaskalos 11-29-2017 11:56 AM

The problem with our game is that the handicapping books don't turn much of a profit for their authors these days...and the monetary incentive simply isn't there for the emergence of a truly "revolutionary" handicapping work. Nor are the game's mutuel pools large enough to withstand the radical change that a truly "groundbreaking" handicapping book would bring about.

The handicapping books that we read state at the outset the "disclaimer" that there are no "secrets" to the handicapping process of the expert player...but that simply isn't the case. OF COURSE there are "handicapping secrets" that the expert players use! But these handicapping insights must remain secrets...because the expert players can make much more money by using them at the betting windows, than by writing about them.

VigorsTheGrey 11-29-2017 09:07 PM

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Originally Posted by thaskalos (Post 2246213)
The problem with our game is that the handicapping books don't turn much of a profit for their authors these days...and the monetary incentive simply isn't there for the emergence of a truly "revolutionary" handicapping work. Nor are the game's mutuel pools large enough to withstand the radical change that a truly "groundbreaking" handicapping book would bring about.

The handicapping books that we read state at the outset the "disclaimer" that there are no "secrets" to the handicapping process of the expert player...but that simply isn't the case. OF COURSE there are "handicapping secrets" that the expert players use! But these handicapping insights must remain secrets...because the expert players can make much more money by using them at the betting windows, than by writing about them.

I don't like to be cynical, but some deeply held feeling I have informs me that even the so called experts are subjected to the internal shenanigans in this sport....a sport where humans train and control the movements of horses and not the other way around...the best horse often does not win...the experts here are clearly in league with the insiders and the art of skilled handicapping is only one part of the theatrical scenery and often not the decisive one...the self- interested nature of human beings, being what it is...

AndyC 11-29-2017 10:09 PM

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Originally Posted by VigorsTheGrey (Post 2246464)
I don't like to be cynical, but some deeply held feeling I have informs me that even the so called experts are subjected to the internal shenanigans in this sport....a sport where humans train and control the movements of horses and not the other way around...the best horse often does not win...the experts here are clearly in league with the insiders and the art of skilled handicapping is only one part of the theatrical scenery and often not the decisive one...the self- interested nature of human beings, being what it is...

That's why handicapping the humans is every bit as important as handicapping the horses.

cj 11-30-2017 04:36 PM

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Originally Posted by AndyC (Post 2246481)
That's why handicapping the humans is every bit as important as handicapping the horses.

Yep, and in some races even more important.

JustRalph 11-30-2017 04:55 PM

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Originally Posted by AndyC (Post 2246481)
That's why handicapping the humans is every bit as important as handicapping the horses.

One of my greatest weaknesses when I was playing every day. And I hated it

VigorsTheGrey 11-30-2017 05:13 PM

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Originally Posted by cj (Post 2246676)
Yep, and in some races even more important.

Which of course begs the question of how exactly that is done.
Sometimes, one can pick up stuff in the walking ring as trainers interact with jockey...I saw a video of Bob Baffert in the walking ring on Breeder Cup race...clearly he favored Collected over Arrogate as he was legging Martin Garcia up...what others ways can we handicap the trainers....?

Sometimes the presence of an entry may signal a higher intent to win with at least one of the runners...a friend of mine said that if you see connections all dressed up, (like they are ready to pose for pictures) that is a good sign, what have you noticed...?

thaskalos 11-30-2017 05:18 PM

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Originally Posted by VigorsTheGrey (Post 2246691)
Which of course begs the question of how exactly that is done.
Sometimes, one can pick up stuff in the walking ring as trainers interact with jockey...I saw a video of Bob Baffert in the walking ring on Breeder Cup race...clearly he favored Collected over Arrogate as he was legging Martin Garcia up...what others ways can we handicap the trainers....?

Sometimes the presence of an entry may signal a higher intent to win with at least one of the runners...a friend of mine said that if you see connections all dressed up, (like they are ready to pose for pictures) that is a good sign, what have you noticed...?

A friend of mine learned how to read lips...so he could decipher the conversations between the trainers and the jockeys in the paddock.

VigorsTheGrey 11-30-2017 05:42 PM

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Originally Posted by thaskalos (Post 2246692)
A friend of mine learned how to read lips...so he could decipher the conversations between the trainers and the jockeys in the paddock.

If I didn't know you better Gus I would think you are putting me on...I can only imagine... "Now remember, break real slow, then go to the front real hard and open up 3 or 4 right away, take him wide and do only enough to get third...Clem and I are singled to his horse only...":D


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