Polar Bear Expert's Opinions "Unhelpful" to GW
 

Polar bear expert barred by global warmists
Mitchell Taylor, who has studied the animals for 30 years, was told his views 'are extremely unhelpful’ , reveals Christopher Booker.


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/c...-warmists.html

This article is from last June.

And Hcap keeps insisting that scientists are above having any political agenda. It would just totally be beneath them. :rolleyes: Their refusal to let this fellow attend is just another way of shutting down honest debate. They have to go this route because man-made global warming would not withstand the rigors of real science.

Boxcar

The truth is not helpful! :lol:

Never said that. Nice to know though, that you are thinking about me!

I will tell you however YOU are much more likely to suffer from political, religious, bias than 98% of those working in the field of GW. And 98% of those GW experts believe humans are a major cause of GW since the industrial revolution began.
And they sure kwetch a hell of a lot less than you :rolleyes:

(Of course maybe glaziers melting have only the appearance of melting.)

http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/...fix_means.html

http://sbflixcontest.org/wordpress/w...er-melting.jpg

As with your silly pictures you're not silly enough to put your tongue on a flagpole in January are you?

That might convince a 5th grader, or persons with a 5th grade mentality but it don't fly around here, Oingo.

‘Glaciers have always grown and receded’—A few glaciers melting does not mean global warming

Wow!
2008 brought mucho improvements!

Of course the world is warming up.
The core is millions of degrees.
Al Gore said so!



:lol::lol::lol:

Wrong again, as usual. Where I am likely to "err", though, is on the side of caution and skepticism, given all I know about human nature. And I make no apologies for my lack of gullibility. ;)

Boxcar

A scientist responsible for a key 2007 United Nations Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change report warning Himalayan glaciers would be completely melted by 2035 has admitted that the claim was made to put political pressure on world leaders.

This ruse is coming unglued.

ice is going away from north pole and polar bears are dying

http://thefederalist.com/2018/01/05/...limate-change/


I guess polar bears always die because they do not live forever.

It was worth resurrecting an :8: year old thread just for that kernel of wisdom alone. Thanks so much. :p

I am just glad we are still alive - since Al Gore said everything would be dead by now. AN INCONVENIENT (UN)TRUTH

Don't knock Wisdom when someone is compassionate enough to try to introduce you to her for the first time in your life. :coffee:

https://polarbearscience.com/2017/02...-almost-30000/

This means the adjusted 2015 global estimate for polar bears should be about 28,500 (average), a marked increase over the official estimate of 26,500 (average) for 2015 — and an even larger increase over the 2005 estimate of about 22,500 (average), despite the dramatic loss of summer sea ice since 2007 that we hear about endlessly.

It is increasingly obvious that polar bears are thriving despite having lived through summer sea ice levels not predicted to occur until 2050 – levels of sea ice that experts said would wipe out 2/3 of the world’s polar bears (Amstrup et al. 2007; Crockford 2017 v3).

Hmm..., who to believe, Cappy or polar bear experts? A close one indeed.

Global Warming Update...


Today.....:1: degree

Nothing like a good dog and pony show :pound:

Ummm....could that be anything to do with the fact
that the northern hemisphere is currently tilted away
from the sun? (Relax, chimp - I don't expect an intelligent answer).

Go right ahead.
Continue to ignore all recorded data on annual global temperatures.
You don't give a fawk anyway. You're busy counting your tax refund.

Last year on February 18th I jumped into a pond on my property to retrieve a frisbee that sunk before my dog could get to it. It was 80°.

#confirmationbias

OMG!
The earth is cooling!
The earth is cooling!

Not ignoring them at all.
We have been hotter and been colder.

We will be both again and again.

btw, are you aware that the continents are moving?
People living on the coastline might not get flooded, but they sure will get smashed into!

Relax, horsey - not a thing you or I or anyone is going to do will change it.
Know why? Because even if we could, some nations - the one doing the most hard - will not stop and we will not make them.

When this BS gets to the point that we will step up and FORCE compliance on China and India. call me and I will stop using styrofoam cups for my West Rock.

Until then, $5, $10, $15, 20,
Good old Trump, he gave me plenty!

This isn't how you science dude.

Can I ask you two honest questions.

1) Does the weather seem different from what you remember 10-20-30 years ago?

2) if yes to 1. If we as a species literally burn things for survival and to produce things; turn on your car, your furnace, a light switch, something is burning to make that work, isn't it conceivable we might play a role in this change?

Of course we play some role.
But we will play no role in stopping it.

Face reality, no one is willing to draw a line in the sand and force it on EVERYONE.

India and China will never cooperate and they contribute much more than we do.

You forget, WE are part of nature and what WE do is natural.
And what we do better than most is adapt.

I do think today's weather is pretty close to 1966 when I walked to school in -1 degrees and got there to find it closed - too cold, and had to walk back home.

Kind like, oh, what is that word....oh yeah, CYCLICAL!
The climate is CYCLICAL.

Ben Warmer.
Ben Colder.
Gonna be both again.

I am all for a few more degrees overall - imagine the corn on the cob and the tomatoes!:p

But if you buy the been warmer been colder and the science behind it then you would have to buy the fact this change is very rapid compared to what we know of other cycles.

And if you admit we play a role why the anti-science backlash? Even I question how much of a role we play and I'm certainly not a fan of government actively intervening I don't adopt this head in the sand deny-science approach that a lot of people on one side of this debate do.

As far as something much more fun Polar Bears are fascinating creatures. I'm planning to go to Svalbard in 2019 to hopefully see some. Their numbers globally are up while some populations are down and facing extinction. As far as climate change goes though using the numbers of a highly intelligent and adaptive apex predator probably isn't the best means of gauging climate change... either way.

Just in USA now, most of the rest of the world is above average...

http://www.esrl.noaa.gov/psd/map/ima...er_01b.fnl.gif

#1 Yes. It was bit colder when I was young in the 70s. Don't recall much more. Certainly seemed like much more snow. Does that mean the El Nino was greater back then? :pound:

#2. If WE are the problem, then the US is less then 20% of the problem. China already doubles our output. Europe is obviously 3rd.

Do we pay for this change? How do we force other countries to change? WHAT IS the change?

Or do we just say, "Hey, quit burning fossil fuels" while on a boat?

Does anybody have any ****ing clue how we are to attack it globably if it is at CODE RED status? Why? Cause China ain't gonna change shit, and the other 3rd world countries that will start burning fuel won't give a shit either.

Soooooo....., Go buy your friendly electric car. Plug it in. It won't matter shit. (But hey, at least you did your part, right?)

Fantastic.

How do you suggest we fix this incredible problem?

Oh sorry. I interrupted your whining.

Keep on.

I'm open to the science. But I'm also open to the possibility of chronological snobbery that suggests the latest prognostication is definitive, rather than cyclical itself, as well as motivations that may not be completely scientific.

"Because of increased dust, cloud cover and water vapor, 'the planet will cool, the water vapor will fall and freeze, and a new Ice Age will be born.'”
– Newsweek magazine, Jan. 26, 1970

“The United States and the Soviet Union are mounting large-scale investigations to determine why the Arctic climate is becoming more frigid, why parts of the Arctic sea ice have recently become ominously thicker and whether the extent of that ice cover contributes to the onset of ice ages.”
– New York Times, July 18, 1970

“In the next 50 years, fine dust that humans discharge into the atmosphere by burning fossil fuel will screen out so much of the sun's rays that the Earth's average temperature could fall by six degrees. Sustained emissions over five to 10 years, could be sufficient to trigger an ice age."
– Washington Post, July 9, 1971

“It's already getting colder. Some midsummer day, perhaps not too far in the future, a hard, killing frost will sweep down on the wheat fields of Saskatchewan, the Dakotas and the Russian steppes...”
– Los Angles Times, Oct. 24, 1971

“An international team of specialists has concluded from eight indexes of climate that there is no end in sight to the cooling trend of the last 30 years, at least in the Northern Hemisphere.”
– New York Times, Jan. 5, 1978

IF you are a true globalist, and Climate warrior, you should visit China.

Visit China convince people to quit burning shit.

China burns 2+ times as much as we do. IF you are a true warrior, you have to take your parade to that side of the planet and yell at their people.

:lol::lol::lol:

My comments had absolutely nothing to do with China or climate change policy.

I honestly just wondered if the people who attack the science regarding global warming (as if it doesn't exist) actually think 1) the climate is changing and 2) if we perhaps played a part.

I didn't promote any agenda I just asked two simple questions. The rest of the stuff is irrelevant.

That's all.

What the **** does it matter if we can't control the biggest waste center on the planet?

You can bitch Climate Change till your heart and your daughters and their dughters hearts bleed. It doesn't ****ing matter.

IF you belive in any of that shit, your focus shouldn't be America, but China, Europe, and other nations getting real power from the ground.

The Paris Accord was garbage.

The reality is, if we don't get the planet involved, it won't matter 1 single bit as far as our Climate numbers propose.

Now I know I'm under some your skins... You must not read too gud... from earlier:

I just don't understand the denial part by some people.

FWIW I think the Paris Accords are garbage too but if we can not follow them and not piss people off it's better than not following them and pissing them off.

Best quote in this thread. Very true.

as a whole the weather really isn't any different now here than it was in the 70's and 80's.

It is not that many people are against science, they are against FRAUD sponsored by government.

I guess you could say that liars like Al Gore have gotten fraud down to a science!

Nor do many of us adopt a head-in-the-sand when it comes to our government and other governments wanting to pick out pockets, claiming our money is going to fix the climate. Nor do we stick out heads in the sand with the establishment science community will never bite the hand that is feeding them.

Whenever there is big money involved, you can be certain that the rhetoric is fueled by corruption. After all, the "love of money is a root of all kinds of evil."
This is a fact, you can take to the bank -- long before any AGW garbgage.

Frozen iguanas falling from trees in Florida. Carefully move to sunlight to thaw
.

I saw a 'gator encased in ice floating down the canal this morning. Poor fella... :coffee:

Hot sauce wakes em right up

Not only is the sky falling upon us due to AGW but the ocean floor is sinking, as well, under the weight of melting glaciers. According to this article, by 2100 much of the East Coast of the U.S. will be under water. Time to move to high ground, folks.

We may see those fish swimming in the streets of downtown Miami, yet. :coffee: :eek:

https://www.yahoo.com/news/ocean-flo...130002572.html