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FenceBored 11-24-2020 09:06 AM

Churchill to replace turf course.
 
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The current Matt Winn Turf Course, a seven-eighths-of-a-mile oval situated inside the one-mile dirt track, is the original surface when grass racing debuted 35 years ago at Churchill Downs in 1985. It is comprised of four-inch high Kentucky 31 Fescue (90%) and Bluegrass (10%) grown in a three-inch topsoil layer over a 13-inch course masonry sand base.



https://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-rac...ew-turf-course


I'm amazed it lasted this long with only a three inch topsoil layer.

dilanesp 11-24-2020 09:27 AM

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Originally Posted by FenceBored (Post 2677240)
https://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-rac...ew-turf-course


I'm amazed it lasted this long with only a three inch topsoil layer.

FWIW i think they actually started turf racing in 1987.

46zilzal 11-24-2020 11:04 AM

A wider course will make for much more equitable trips.....Just look at Longchamps: as the course straightens for the home stretch, it gets VERY wide to allow late runners ROOM to go by the field's stragglers.

Most INNER turf courses are not wide enough to allow that.

cj 11-24-2020 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by 46zilzal (Post 2677260)
A wider course will make for much more equitable trips.....Just look at Longchamps: as the course straightens for the home stretch, it gets VERY wide to allow late runners ROOM to go by the field's stragglers.

Most INNER turf courses are not wide enough to allow that.

I think mostly they are widening it to be able to use more rail settings, and it is only going to be five feet wider. They can't really move it out as the dirt course is there, so they are likely expanding inward which will mean tighter turns and an even shorter course when the rail is at zero.

dilanesp 11-24-2020 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by cj (Post 2677265)
I think mostly they are widening it to be able to use more rail settings, and it is only going to be five feet wider. They can't really move it out as the dirt course is there, so they are likely expanding inward which will mean tighter turns and an even shorter course when the rail is at zero.

Plus shrinking the infield, which would probably reduce capacity on Derby Day.

JustRalph 11-24-2020 12:27 PM

Isn’t this the course that stays hard as a rock?

I don’t follow as much anymore. But it used to be a runway or is my memory wrong?

46zilzal 11-24-2020 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by cj (Post 2677265)
I think mostly they are widening it to be able to use more rail settings, and it is only going to be five feet wider. They can't really move it out as the dirt course is there, so they are likely expanding inward which will mean tighter turns and an even shorter course when the rail is at zero.

That too!

the little guy 11-24-2020 01:19 PM

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Originally Posted by JustRalph (Post 2677293)
Isn’t this the course that stays hard as a rock?

I don’t follow as much anymore. But it used to be a runway or is my memory wrong?

I’ve never had that impression. I feel likes it’s been relatively fine in the Spring, but in the November meet it has been tough for years. Often the inside paths would be problematic really anytime it rained, and of course the recovery period in the Fall is almost non-existent.

Jeff P 11-24-2020 01:42 PM

The video below shows Churchill Downs as shot from a drone.

Note that the infield appears a little lower in elevation than the turf course.

Expanding inward may result in the new turf course being a degree or two more steeply banked than the current turf course.

If that turns out to be the case, I'd expect horses attempting to wire a field on the turf to be negatively impacted a bit. How much depends on the change in banking.




-jp

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dilanesp 11-24-2020 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Jeff P (Post 2677318)
The video below shows Churchill Downs as shot from a drone.

Note that the infield appears a little lower in elevation than the turf course.

Expanding inward may result in the new turf course being a degree or two more steeply banked than the current turf course.

If that turns out to be the case, I'd expect horses attempting to wire a field on the turf to be negatively impacted a bit. How much depends on the change in banking.

https://youtu.be/r_5qaTypG44



-jp

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It also shows what a silly project the 2004 renovations were. Those luxury box towers just dwarf the Twin Spires, the track's trademark.

People don't like tearing anything down and building something new and beautiful anymore for some reason. If you go to any of the grand old racetracks in Europe, they almost all have state of the art new grandstands. Nothing of the "historic character" of Churchill is preserved there anyway- all you see is the gigantic structures they built on top. But where you do still see the "historic character" is when you try to place a bet at a third floor window on a big race day and are stuck in a crowd in a narrow wooden corridor.

So why not start from scratch and build something large and comfortable, to accomodate everyone who comes to the Derby, with a replica of the Twin Spires on top?

46zilzal 11-24-2020 02:32 PM

Churchill Downs Incorporated has many a time demonstrated being really CHEAP and philistine when in comes to pening anything.

JustRalph 11-24-2020 04:30 PM

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Originally Posted by the little guy (Post 2677314)
I’ve never had that impression. I feel likes it’s been relatively fine in the Spring, but in the November meet it has been tough for years. Often the inside paths would be problematic really anytime it rained, and of course the recovery period in the Fall is almost non-existent.

Thanks :ThmbUp:

Steve 'StatMan' 11-25-2020 09:05 AM

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Originally Posted by dilanesp (Post 2677270)
Plus shrinking the infield, which would probably reduce capacity on Derby Day.

Plenty of sitting and/or standing place that they will be only too glad to sell for a nice buck or $20 or more.

46zilzal 11-25-2020 09:33 AM

The big courses in NY Chicago and Florida are good, but nothing beats Woodbine's outer....Now that is a FAIR stretch

1GCFAN 11-25-2020 09:48 PM

How does the CD course compare to Keenland. Is it 7/8 as well?


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