dilanesp |
09-07-2020 03:24 PM |
Kentucky Downs misses minor detail
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Frost king |
09-07-2020 03:31 PM |
Should be declared a no-contest. Too many horses never got a fair start.
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metro |
09-07-2020 03:31 PM |
Not a good luck needless to say, neither has been their graphics.
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Afleet |
09-07-2020 03:34 PM |
I think that starters' days are numbered
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metro |
09-07-2020 03:36 PM |
cost me the super....bastards
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stuball |
09-07-2020 03:36 PM |
Yes
Quote:
Originally Posted by Afleet
(Post 2650266)
I think that starters' days are numbered
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like 1 is a good number for the starter and I had 200,000 on the winner... not
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Valuist |
09-07-2020 04:46 PM |
The other 10 horses DID race and completed the race. The one horse overcame traffic to get up. Oh yeah, it never happened. At least that's what I assume. We know all wagers were refunded but I believe there was no purse distribution, and THAT is wrong.
The one horse overcame some traffic to get up and win, but won't collect that $54k portion of the purse. As bettors we get screwed plenty. In this case, the horsemen were screwed. Horses don't have unlimited bullets to fire. Brad Cox and Bridgmohan have reason to be upset.
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dilanesp |
09-07-2020 07:35 PM |
Quote:
Originally Posted by Valuist
(Post 2650301)
The other 10 horses DID race and completed the race. The one horse overcame traffic to get up. Oh yeah, it never happened. At least that's what I assume. We know all wagers were refunded but I believe there was no purse distribution, and THAT is wrong.
The one horse overcame some traffic to get up and win, but won't collect that $54k portion of the purse. As bettors we get screwed plenty. In this case, the horsemen were screwed. Horses don't have unlimited bullets to fire. Brad Cox and Bridgmohan have reason to be upset.
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The reason it basically has to go as a no contest (and I HATE no contests; for instance, I would never do them for spills) is that it isn't just the two horses behind the gate- because two horses were behind the gate, there's no way for sure that the other 10 jockeys were ready. They have the right to be a bit complacent when the gate hasn't been fully loaded.
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Frost king |
09-07-2020 07:53 PM |
Watch the replay, and see how many horses were held by the assistant starters, that were not ready. More than just the two horses that didn’t get into the gate were affected.
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Valuist |
09-07-2020 08:23 PM |
If one or two horses were unfairly advantaged and the rest compromised, I can see it. But that wasn't the case. We didn't see a horse or two get out and steal an easy lead and wire. Wasn't the case at all. Based on the fractional times, there didn't seem to be any effect of an unprepared start. They went :46 1:11 1/5 and 1:35 4/5. Besides, we see horses getting pinballed at the break all the time and rarely a DQ (2014 BC Classic come to mind?). A field of 10 ran, competed and finished.
Every week or so, we see a spill, and spills usually have much more collateral damage than what we saw today. It never should've been declared no contest. And not only that, wagers on 6 and 12 were the only ones that should've been refunded, IMO.
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JustRalph |
09-08-2020 01:21 AM |
Just stick em in the next race
They have already been handicapped......
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therussmeister |
09-08-2020 10:46 AM |
Quote:
Originally Posted by Frost king
(Post 2650398)
Watch the replay, and see how many horses were held by the assistant starters, that were not ready. More than just the two horses that didn’t get into the gate were affected.
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To me it looks like three horses broke reasonably well. So I guess that means seven were unprepared, and two were behind the gate.
Kentucky Downs says it was a mechanical issue, not the starter's error.
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v j stauffer |
09-08-2020 11:36 AM |
Quote:
Originally Posted by Valuist
(Post 2650415)
If one or two horses were unfairly advantaged and the rest compromised, I can see it. But that wasn't the case. We didn't see a horse or two get out and steal an easy lead and wire. Wasn't the case at all. Based on the fractional times, there didn't seem to be any effect of an unprepared start. They went :46 1:11 1/5 and 1:35 4/5. Besides, we see horses getting pinballed at the break all the time and rarely a DQ (2014 BC Classic come to mind?). A field of 10 ran, competed and finished.
Every week or so, we see a spill, and spills usually have much more collateral damage than what we saw today. It never should've been declared no contest. And not only that, wagers on 6 and 12 were the only ones that should've been refunded, IMO.
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No effect of an unprepared start? Are you kidding? Watch the head on. Not one horse had a prepared start!
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dilanesp |
09-08-2020 12:01 PM |
Quote:
Originally Posted by therussmeister
(Post 2650523)
To me it looks like three horses broke reasonably well. So I guess that means seven were unprepared, and two were behind the gate.
Kentucky Downs says it was a mechanical issue, not the starter's error.
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I don't buy that. These machines were perfected in 1940. The technology isn't complicated and they test the gates periodically. This has got to be human error.
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metro |
09-08-2020 12:50 PM |
Quote:
Originally Posted by therussmeister
(Post 2650523)
Kentucky Downs says it was a mechanical issue, not the starter's error.
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They think we're all a bunch of idiots.
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