Horse Racing Forum - PaceAdvantage.Com - Horse Racing Message Board

Go Back   Horse Racing Forum - PaceAdvantage.Com - Horse Racing Message Board


Horse Racing Forum - PaceAdvantage.Com - Horse Racing Message Board

Horse Racing Forum - PaceAdvantage.Com - Horse Racing Message Board (http://www.paceadvantage.com/forum/index.php)
-   General Racing Discussion (http://www.paceadvantage.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=10)
-   -   Pegasus World Cup Invitational (http://www.paceadvantage.com/forum/showthread.php?t=180566)

IRISHLADSTABLE 01-25-2024 07:13 AM

Pegasus World Cup Invitational
 

rastajenk 01-25-2024 07:34 AM

From the linkage: "In a field where there is only one Grade 1 winner...." :eek:

Pretty far fall from the race's once-lofty goals.

BarchCapper 01-25-2024 09:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rastajenk (Post 2924079)
From the linkage: "In a field where there is only one Grade 1 winner...." :eek:

Pretty far fall from the race's once-lofty goals.

Trying to remember if it was Quinn or Mark Cramer who emphasized "Grade 1 races are won by Grade 1 horses" i.e. don't expect surprise winners when there are multiple Grade 1 winners in the race.

We certainly don't get much chance to test that maxim these days.

groupie doll 01-27-2024 06:54 AM

Nimitz Class seems like a viable longshot, if one weren't so inclined to take a shorter price here.

Track Phantom 01-27-2024 07:43 AM

#6 SENOR BUSCADOR (20-1)

Cigar Mile Day at AQU. Running style and odds for each winner.

1st - SPEED (wire to wire; inside) 3/5
2nd - SPEED (wire to wire; inside) 14/1
3rd - SPEED (wire to wire; inside) 2/1
4th - PRESSED (sat 2nd; 4-wide) 3/1
5th - PRESSED (sat 3rd; 4-wide) 5/1
6th - PRESSED (sat 2nd; inside) 7/1
7th - SPEED (wire to wire; inside) 1/1
8th - SPEED (wire to wire; inside) 4/1
9th - SPEED (wire to wire; inside) 8/5
10th - SPEED (wire to wire; inside) 9/1

Senor Buscador was one of the few closers who got into the exacta that day. One of the others, Guntown (from the 3rd race) won back at 8/1 on a fairer track.

Could be that the late run by Senor Buscador, while 8-wide, was heavily against the bias on that day, and deserves a look at long odds today.

the little guy 01-27-2024 07:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Track Phantom (Post 2924501)
#6 SENOR BUSCADOR (20-1)

Cigar Mile Day at AQU. Running style and odds for each winner.

1st - SPEED (wire to wire; inside) 3/5
2nd - SPEED (wire to wire; inside) 14/1
3rd - SPEED (wire to wire; inside) 2/1
4th - PRESSED (sat 2nd; 4-wide) 3/1
5th - PRESSED (sat 3rd; 4-wide) 5/1
6th - PRESSED (sat 2nd; inside) 7/1
7th - SPEED (wire to wire; inside) 1/1
8th - SPEED (wire to wire; inside) 4/1
9th - SPEED (wire to wire; inside) 8/5
10th - SPEED (wire to wire; inside) 9/1

Senor Buscador was one of the few closers who got into the exacta that day. One of the others, Guntown (from the 3rd race) won back at 8/1 on a fairer track.

Could be that the late run by Senor Buscador, while 8-wide, was heavily against the bias on that day, and deserves a look at long odds today.

Long odds? It's a terrible morning line.

Track Phantom 01-27-2024 08:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by the little guy (Post 2924502)
Long odds? It's a terrible morning line.

The time I took to outline that and your only comment is about someone else's bad morning line? Whew...

the little guy 01-27-2024 09:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Track Phantom (Post 2924503)
The time I took to outline that and your only comment is about someone else's bad morning line? Whew...

The lines are off all day. Didia at 6:1 in the 10th? Signator 15:1 in the 11th? Making morning lines is an incredibly difficult job to do well, I couldn't do it, but you can't blow the easy ones. Senor Buscador is a relatively easy one.

Track Phantom 01-27-2024 09:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by the little guy (Post 2924515)
The lines are off all day. Didia at 6:1 in the 10th? Signator 15:1 in the 11th? Making morning lines is an incredibly difficult job to do well, I couldn't do it, but you can't blow the easy ones. Senor Buscador is a relatively easy one.

I would not argue that. My point is more about a live runner in the big race that comes alive when layered over what appears to have been a significant track bias last time he ran. Whether he's 6-1, 15-1 or 20-1 I still think he's worth a play in that race.

What do you think he'll go off at? I'm guessing about 6-1.

Robert Fischer 01-27-2024 10:07 AM

There are some real doozies... the morning line is fucked

the little guy 01-27-2024 10:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Track Phantom (Post 2924516)
I would not argue that. My point is more about a live runner in the big race that comes alive when layered over what appears to have been a significant track bias last time he ran. Whether he's 6-1, 15-1 or 20-1 I still think he's worth a play in that race.

What do you think he'll go off at? I'm guessing about 6-1.

6:1 to 8:1 max feels close. He's interesting because of what you said but his running style is a bit of a concern on that track. However, I would agree you can't look at him as a 20:1 shot. I wouldn't bet him at 6:1 but don't think it's a terrible price. Feels fairish whatever that means:-)

PhantomOnTour 01-27-2024 10:18 AM

In the Pegasus Turf I’m going to play Kingmax to find his way into the exotics at what should be double digit odds.
Must use the undefeated and very impressive #3 and will likely fade Warm Heart vs the boys after a lot of travel the last few months in the final start of her career.

Track Phantom 01-27-2024 10:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by the little guy (Post 2924518)
6:1 to 8:1 max feels close. He's interesting because of what you said but his running style is a bit of a concern on that track. However, I would agree you can't look at him as a 20:1 shot. I wouldn't bet him at 6:1 but don't think it's a terrible price. Feels fairish whatever that means:-)

Agree. Late runners like this are often fools gold. They often do their running after the race is already decided. Good luck today!

Robert Fischer 01-27-2024 11:04 AM

Pegasus is a gold mine.
 
looking at the pick 5, from races 9-13 :jump:


then I look at race 8 , the mile and a half McKnight?


I need a coffee or something :coffee::coffee:



Robert Fischer 01-27-2024 11:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Track Phantom (Post 2924501)
#6 SENOR BUSCADOR (20-1)

Cigar Mile Day at AQU. Running style and odds for each winner.

1st - SPEED (wire to wire; inside) 3/5
2nd - SPEED (wire to wire; inside) 14/1
3rd - SPEED (wire to wire; inside) 2/1
4th - PRESSED (sat 2nd; 4-wide) 3/1
5th - PRESSED (sat 3rd; 4-wide) 5/1
6th - PRESSED (sat 2nd; inside) 7/1
7th - SPEED (wire to wire; inside) 1/1
8th - SPEED (wire to wire; inside) 4/1
9th - SPEED (wire to wire; inside) 8/5
10th - SPEED (wire to wire; inside) 9/1

Senor Buscador was one of the few closers who got into the exacta that day. One of the others, Guntown (from the 3rd race) won back at 8/1 on a fairer track.

Could be that the late run by Senor Buscador, while 8-wide, was heavily against the bias on that day, and deserves a look at long odds today.

:ThmbUp:

In the Pegasus, yea the :6: is a horse that's within the flow of the race.

I think up front :7: National Treasure will run a big one. He improved in the BC dirt mile.
Depending on how conservative the other pace in here is I see National Treasure either winning or getting in the top four.

The :2:, :3:, and the :6: Senor Buscador all should have a good chance to hit the board.

I'll throw something together w/ all four of these horses, but probably look at using 7=Key1 and 2,3,6=Key2.
Looking at Dynamic One in some extra tix penciled underneath horses.

I liked Dynamic One's recent work on January 20th.


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 12:25 PM.

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.9
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Copyright 1999 - 2023 -- PaceAdvantage.Com -- All Rights Reserved

» Advertisement
» Current Polls
Wh deserves to be the favorite? (last 4 figures)
Powered by vBadvanced CMPS v3.2.3

All times are GMT -4. The time now is 12:25 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.9
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Copyright 1999 - 2023 -- PaceAdvantage.Com -- All Rights Reserved
We are a participant in the Amazon Services LLC Associates Program, an affiliate advertising program
designed to provide a means for us to earn fees by linking to Amazon.com and affiliated sites.