They work long hard hours, good, so do a lot of the people that post here. This will not earn any extra credit from me.

When you are on top of the game, the "arrows" are going to be thrown. Deal with it. The best way would be to prove what you are doing is on the up and up. Do not give the arrow throwers ammunition by not addressing issues that arise. If it is a drug issue, put out in the public all the treatments that are administered to that horse. The non-transparency is just more ammunition.

And the one thing that is not mentioned, is that do the super-trainers really benifit the people who drive the industry, your customers?

Of course the "super trainers" are good for the game. They bring well-heeled owners into the game...which gives the game the "touch-of-class" that it sorely needs. After all...isn't this the "sport of kings"? And if the horseplayers don't like it...they could go play the slots.

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1 Clenbutrol Dependant Trainer: Todd Pletcher Owner: Repole Stable

1A Theraputic Med Trainer: Todd Pletcher Owner: Repole Stable

1B Shock Wave Trainer: Todd Pletcher Owner: Repole Stable

1C Rabbit Trainer: Todd Pletcher Owner: Repole Stable

2 Clenbutrol Dependant Trainer: Chad Brown Owner: Dumb Money Racing

2A Theraputic Med Trainer: Chad Brown Owner: Dumb Money Racing

2B Shock Wave Trainer: Chad Brown Owner: Dumb Money Racing

2C Rabbit Trainer: Chad Brown Owner: Dumb Money Racing

3 Clenbutrol Dependant Trainer: Bob Baffert Owner: Winstar Farms

3A Theraputic Med Trainer: Bob Baffert Owner: Winstar Farms

3B Shock Wave Trainer: Bob Baffert Owner: Winstar Farms

3C Rabbit Trainer: Bob Baffert Owner: Winstar Farms

4 Clenbutrol Dependant Trainer: Steve Assmussen Owner: Coolmore Farm

4A Theraputic Med Trainer: Steve Assmussen Owner: Coolmore Farm

4B Shock Wave Trainer: Steve Assmussen Owner: Coolmore Farm

4C Rabbit Trainer: Steve Assmussen Owner: Coolmore Farm

5 Lucky Runner Trainer: Lucky Trainer Owner: Lucky Stable

6 Easy Trip Trainer: Brad Cox Owner: A Bunch of People

7 Inflated Figure Trainer: Karl Broberg Owner: Karl Broberg

8 Pipe Dream Trainer: Robertino Doridorro Owner: Fred

Both are anonymous, aren't they?

And probably because he was one of the vets giving it so was defending the practice. Not that difficult to figure.

No Thyro-L didn't cause the sudden deaths. They claimed rat poison (warfarin?) was the cause.

I voted bad for the game.

Health of the game (field size/ability to card compelling races from a betting perspective) belongs in the conversation.

Hypothetical race: A peek at the condition book shows a first level turf allowance on Friday.

In today's game a guy like Brown might have 11 horses on the backside fitting that condition and another top guy might have 8.

Both trainers want to maintain their win pct so each enters only 1.

And the race goes to post with a field of 6.

Contrast that to the game as it existed back in say 2003.

If the same race were carded back then:

A guy like Brown might only have 4 fitting that condition and the other top guy might only have 3.

This is because the horses on the backside were more evenly distributed amongst the trainers.

Back then the same race likely goes to post with a field of 8.



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Jeff P,

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Between what you point out and Jay's post, we'll be lucky to have races at all in a few years.

Except those staged for owners and breeders only.

You mean this one? Where they speculated it was because they used rat poison at GG, Del Mar, and Santa Anita?

http://www.thoroughbreddailynews.com...hared-archive/

The only problem with that speculation of course is that the horses were all at Hollywood Park.

The "investigation" of Baffert was nothing more than a dog and pony show.

The biggest turds at the tracks are not in the barn, they ar in the Clubhouse.
The game needs to be regulated by the Feds, because of the various states involved.
Kind of like the ISO Standards - with third party certifications and audits.
It is a TOTAL JOKE to think any race track can police itself.
SUPER trainers are nothing more than equine mafia.

Hollywood Park was closed by the time this article was written. The article focused on a several sudden death cases that occurred at different California racetracks beyond the Baffert cluster, so the relevant information about rodenticide use was from those tracks that were still operating.

In the Baffert investigation, one horse was found to have rodenticide in its system while 2 or 3 of the remaining 6 were noted to have bled internally. Testing for rodenticides as part of a necropsy was not routine at the time, but because of the unusual finding in the Baffert investigation, it was implemented as part of the testing protocols. The TDN article was a summary of the initial results investigating an association between rodenticides and internal bleeding.

Justify.
Horse goes from being unable to get to the races at 2, to being a Triple Crown winner.

Trainers is one aspect that Hong Kong do right. In Hong Kong each trainer is limited to 60 runners in their stable at a time. A limit on runners per trainer is an easy rule to implement and enforce as well. All racing jurisdictions should have a limit on runners per trainer

Super trainers is a problem around the racing world right now. Aidan O'Brien is too dominant in Ireland. In Australia Chris Waller and Darren Weir have too many horses and win too many races

Secretariat was juiced to the gills. You probably think he's one of the best ever.

Look at that sucker's neck. Built like an NFL linebacker juicing like there is no tomorrow.

Look up the history of steroids and tell me the 1970s weren't the golden age of steroid usage in horse racing. Three triple crowns that decade...hmmmm...what a coincidence.

And Riva Ridge didn't do too shabby either...maybe he was their test case and they perfected the ratio with Secretariat.