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DeanT 03-26-2018 12:43 PM

Sports Betting at Tracks - How Would it Affect You?
 
Here's an article on the (perhaps) soon to be offered sports betting at tracks (or perhaps alongside racing in an ADW):

http://www.harnessracingupdate.com/2...ng-in-between/

It looks at how sports betting coexists in Australia and elsewhere with horse racing, and how their bettors have reacted.

Wondering - how would this legislative change affect you? Would you change your play, bet more sports, reload your bankrolls to bet both more sports and racing in the same account, no change at all?

I'm interested to see what y'all think about this.

CincyHorseplayer 03-26-2018 12:51 PM

Even with a recent payoff plummet I am getting a 7-1 return on horse races. Sports betting whatever! I am not a pure gambler though. I just love this game.

Saratoga_Mike 03-26-2018 01:50 PM

It already exists at Delaware Park - parlays only, though.

thaskalos 03-26-2018 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by DeanT (Post 2295019)
Here's an article on the (perhaps) soon to be offered sports betting at tracks (or perhaps alongside racing in an ADW):

http://www.harnessracingupdate.com/2...ng-in-between/

It looks at how sports betting coexists in Australia and elsewhere with horse racing, and how their bettors have reacted.

Wondering - how would this legislative change affect you? Would you change your play, bet more sports, reload your bankrolls to bet both more sports and racing in the same account, no change at all?

I'm interested to see what y'all think about this.

The track patrons will obviously wager on both horses AND sports...but those folks will have a set amount of money at their disposal...and any money that they bet on sports will be put "on hold" for a substantial amount of time. That can't help the horse-betting churn, IMO.

jay68802 03-26-2018 02:05 PM

Will not change a thing, my bookie already hangs out at the track.

DeanT 03-26-2018 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by thaskalos (Post 2295068)
The track patrons will obviously wager on both horses AND sports...but those folks will have a set amount of money at their disposal...and any money that they bet on sports will be put "on hold" for a substantial amount of time. That can't help the horse-betting churn, IMO.

I think that's true.

On the flipside, we all probably know players who left the track to, say, play poker, or sports bet a bit.

If it's legal, do any of these folks come back to the track to play an afternoon slate of football games, see that there's a pick 5 carryover, or hangs with his horse racing peeps again and takes dip back into the horse racing pools?

Andy Asaro 03-26-2018 03:23 PM

7 or 8 years ago I bought a domain. www.californiasportsbetting.com

Have no idea why I still have it.

thaskalos 03-26-2018 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by DeanT (Post 2295090)
I think that's true.

On the flipside, we all probably know players who left the track to, say, play poker, or sports bet a bit.

If it's legal, do any of these folks come back to the track to play an afternoon slate of football games, see that there's a pick 5 carryover, or hangs with his horse racing peeps again and takes dip back into the horse racing pools?

Doubtful, IMO. The players who have left the game in order to bet sports are probably betting on sports right now...while using the street bookies who can be easily found at every racetrack or OTB. And these bookies allow you to bet on credit, which, as the credit card industry has already proven, is the way that most consumers like to do "business".

MonmouthParkJoe 03-26-2018 04:41 PM

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I was at Monmouth park Sunday for an Easter egg hunt. Poked around to see what’s going on. Nice to see they repainted the umbrellas for the picnic area. Oh and some sweet TVs with blue to tie in with sports betting and William
Hill :ThmbDown:

horses4courses 03-26-2018 05:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Saratoga_Mike (Post 2295059)
It already exists at Delaware Park - parlays only, though.

Are William Hill taking those parlay bets?

Saratoga_Mike 03-26-2018 06:51 PM

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Originally Posted by horses4courses (Post 2295146)
Are William Hill taking those parlay bets?

Great question. I have no idea who helps with the betting lines. I've never played a parlay card at Delaware. They do a steady sports-betting business on Saturdays and Sundays in the fall, with the sports-betting crowd skewing younger than the racing crowd. I'd need to watch more carefully, but I don't see those drawn to the track by sports betting giving the track much of a second thought, but there must be some small percentage. Delaware has a first-rate simulcast area, and by extension sports-betting area --- they invested big-time in a very, very long wall of high-quality TVs a few years ago. Oh, I don't believe Delaware Park (or Dover) is allowed to take bets on anything but pro sports, at least that was the case a few years back. I never pay attention to the sports-betting boards, so I don't know if that changed.

Andy Asaro 03-26-2018 07:31 PM

The point is that racing will have an opportunity to convert. And IMO they will screw up the opportunity.

jay68802 03-26-2018 07:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Andy Asaro (Post 2295201)
The point is that racing will have an opportunity to convert. And IMO they will screw up the opportunity.

Come on Andy, when was the last time in the last ten years that horse race has screwed up a opportunity? OK, maybe not ten years, the last five years? OK, maybe since yesterday? Tell me that.

thaskalos 03-26-2018 07:41 PM

The racing industry wanted to get into the casino business...and we all saw what that did for the welfare of our favorite game. Now, the racing industry endeavors to branch out into another form of gambling. Is there a reason to be more optimistic about the welfare of the game THIS time around? I think not.

Unless the current racing product improves, especially on the weekdays...then any other forms of gambling that are introduced on racetrack grounds can only take players away from the game where they are needed the most.

lamboguy 03-27-2018 08:00 AM

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Originally Posted by thaskalos (Post 2295206)
The racing industry wanted to get into the casino business...and we all saw what that did for the welfare of our favorite game. Now, the racing industry endeavors to branch out into another form of gambling. Is there a reason to be more optimistic about the welfare of the game THIS time around? I think not.

Unless the current racing product improves, especially on the weekdays...then any other forms of gambling that are introduced on racetrack grounds can only take players away from the game where they are needed the most.

maybe we should bring back gin rummy and klaberjass.

i wonder if anyone here knows the game of klaberjass?


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