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cnollfan 11-15-2023 04:28 PM

Finger Lakes pools
 
Pool sizes mushroomed in races 5-6-7 at Finger Lakes today, particularly the 5th race superfecta at $359k. What is going on?

Robert Fischer 11-15-2023 04:46 PM

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Originally Posted by cnollfan (Post 2913760)
Pool sizes mushroomed in races 5-6-7 at Finger Lakes today, particularly the 5th race superfecta at $359k. What is going on?


Good eyes
:coffee:

don't know... Hope someone can share some insight here.

Lot of action today, and some good prices to close the card.

the little guy 11-15-2023 06:27 PM


GMB@BP 11-15-2023 08:15 PM

so what was the gig, some kind of money laundering?

iamt 11-15-2023 08:40 PM

There is a suggestion TVG was deducting only the base ticket cost, not the whole ticket. So $10 ALL/ALL/ALL/ALL was only costing $10.


The money seemingly was very much not real.

Jeff P 11-15-2023 09:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by iamt (Post 2913814)
There is a suggestion TVG was deducting only the base ticket cost, not the whole ticket. So $10 ALL/ALL/ALL/ALL was only costing $10.


The money seemingly was very much not real.

If true... Wow.


-jp
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the little guy 11-15-2023 11:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jeff P (Post 2913826)
If true... Wow.


-jp
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You believe in elves and fairies too?

Robert Fischer 11-15-2023 11:05 PM

what a surprise
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Jeff P (Post 2913826)
If true... Wow.


-jp
.

wow

:coffee: ( I'm making this up as I go along ) These guys always seem to go bananas when they find a good loophole.

Take your slice of the pizza. Hit your little homerun or double... but these guys go bananas and expose it... :bang:

I don't know what happened.

B.S.ing.

Sounds like a possible technical glitch (hopefully no pool vulnerabilities, or 'hacking' etc... I don't know the truth.)...

Redboard 11-16-2023 07:38 AM

I still don't understand why doing All five times in a high 5 is cheating. And why the track is withholding payouts.

7x6x5x4x3x2 = 2520
So a 10 cent bet is $252

classhandicapper 11-16-2023 10:44 AM

Quote:

so what was the gig, some kind of money laundering?

If it was some money laundering scheme, there would actually be advantages to other gamblers from the greater pool size and probable lower efficiency of the betting. That would be way better than if there is a glitch that someone was exploiting profitably.

Jeff P 11-16-2023 11:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by iamt (Post 2913814)
There is a suggestion TVG was deducting only the base ticket cost, not the whole ticket. So $10 ALL/ALL/ALL/ALL was only costing $10.

The money seemingly was very much not real.

Quote:

Originally Posted by the little guy (Post 2913838)
You believe in elves and fairies too?

Of course not.

Now Santa Claus?... THAT'S a different story. :D

In all seriousness I wouldn't be shocked if it turned out to be a bug or exploitable weakness in a code block on a live server that was never fully tested.

As a contract developer in the Fortune 500 world back in the early 2000's I've seen it happen a few times. (It happens more than you think.)

Not saying that's the root cause in THIS incident.

But it has to be investigated as a possibility.

It's one of the things that would explain the ability to submit $10.00 ALL-ALL-ALL-ALL superfecta tickets only costing $10.00 (as opposed to $16,800.00 for an eight horse field.)

Alternative possibilities would be a hack or outright fraud.

Again, that's only if the money wasn't real.



-jp
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affirmedny 11-16-2023 12:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Redboard (Post 2913862)
I still don't understand why doing All five times in a high 5 is cheating. And why the track is withholding payouts.

7x6x5x4x3x2 = 2520
So a 10 cent bet is $252

$1 minimum @ Churchill on that bet

Also if you box the entire field it does not affect the odds at all as you're covering each combo equally, no?

metro 11-16-2023 12:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jeff P (Post 2913894)
Of course not.

Now Santa Claus?... THAT'S a different story. :D

In all seriousness I wouldn't be shocked if it turned out to be a bug or exploitable weakness in a code block on a live server that was never fully tested.

As a contract developer in the Fortune 500 world back in the early 2000's I've seen it happen a few times. (It happens more than you think.)

Not saying that's the root cause in THIS incident.

But it has to be investigated as a possibility.

It's one of the things that would explain the ability to submit $10.00 ALL-ALL-ALL-ALL superfecta tickets only costing $10.00 (as opposed to $16,800.00 for an eight horse field.)

Alternative possibilities would be a hack or outright fraud.

Again, that's only if the money wasn't real.



-jp
.

I think this is the most logical explanation. From personal experience, using the new FanDuel (TVG) app and their horse racing platform, I could see them having issues. Wouldn't have expected it on this scale but their horse wagering site is a fustercluck.

MJC922 11-16-2023 12:16 PM

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Originally Posted by affirmedny (Post 2913900)
$1 minimum @ Churchill on that bet

Also if you box the entire field it does not affect the odds at all as you're covering each combo equally, no?

Would basically pull everyone's odds towards field size minus one

dilanesp 11-16-2023 02:43 PM

This is such an incompetently run sport.


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