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Buckeye 04-28-2018 08:07 PM

Derby Longshot
 
Flameaway was 42-1 in pool 4 . . .

Sounds reasonable.

minethatbird08 04-28-2018 08:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Buckeye (Post 2308861)
Flameaway was 42-1 in pool 4 . . .

Sounds reasonable.

I like Flameaway a lot but don't think he will get the distance.

Spalding No! 04-28-2018 11:06 PM

Much better chance to win the Pat Day Mile, but Lone Sailor has few things going for him that could land him a placing.

Breezing like a freight train in last 3 works, all at Churchill.

Has a couple of better than looked races over Churchill Downs main track, waiting behind horses while full of run in the Street Sense (lost by a head) and getting bothered by a fallen rival on the first turn of the Kentucky Jockey Club (rallied late in the middle of the track to get by tired ones).

Also owns a sloppy track romp when breaking his maiden at Saratoga (I think the weather forecast might have suggested rain?).

Also, possibly has the best bottom side if you follow pedigrees. 4th dam is the blue hen mare Courtly Dee (I think every female descendant from her has black type in both its race record and produce record).

clicknow 04-28-2018 11:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Spalding No! (Post 2308911)
Courtly Dee

there are some excellent broodmare of the years in the lineage of some of the derby runners this year. Courtly Dee being one of course. Mendelssohn's Leslie Lady, and the great Oatsee, Shackleford's dam for Promises Fulfilled.
Something I always look for first, trying to find the elite runners before the prep races are run.

This really is a pretty nice group of horses this year!

Robert Fischer 04-29-2018 12:29 AM

He's a good horse and he's going to be a BIG price. :ThmbUp:

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Originally Posted by minethatbird08 (Post 2308875)
I like Flameaway a lot but don't think he will get the distance.

That's kind of my feeling. I might have him in the Top-10 on pure quality, but he seems to need a forward-favoring soft pace to hit the board going 10 furlongs vs a Derby field.


I may throw together a couple 'scenario' tickets. One with some priced pace-pressers and one with some priced closers.

nijinski 04-29-2018 12:37 AM

Keeping an eye on Hofburg
Love the breeding and the connections .for the classic distance .

Spalding No! 04-29-2018 01:11 AM

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Originally Posted by clicknow (Post 2308922)
there are some excellent broodmare of the years in the lineage of some of the derby runners this year. Courtly Dee being one of course. Mendelssohn's Leslie Lady, and the great Oatsee, Shackleford's dam for Promises Fulfilled.
Something I always look for first, trying to find the elite runners before the prep races are run.

This really is a pretty nice group of horses this year!

The longshots in this year's field as a whole seem to hold an edge over the favorites in terms of the deeper bloodlines.

In addition to Lone Sailor and Courtly Dee (Althea, Bayern, Arch, Atelier, Twining etc.):

Instilled Regard's 4th dam is the Phipps Stable's Blitey (Dancing Spree, Heavenly Prize, Pure Prize, Dancing Forever, etc.).

Hofburg's 4th dam is the Niarchos foundation mare Coup de Folie (Machiavellian, Coup de Genie, Denebola, Bago, etc.).

Combatant's 4th dam is top Canadian Broodmare of the Year Fanfreluche (L'Enjoleur, La Voyageuse, Medaille D'Or, Holy Roman Emperor, et.c).

From a whole pedigree standpoint, you could do a lot worse than:

Hofburg - sired by Tapit over the Coup de Folie family. In the past 4 runnings of the Belmont, Tapit is responsible for 3 wins and 2 placings.

Instilled Regard - sired by Arch, so he crosses Courtly Dee with Blitey.

depalma113 04-29-2018 05:47 AM

Solomini

He's a Curlin. He's the other Baffert. He's hit the board in every start.

upthecreek 04-29-2018 09:24 AM

KD Props
 

SkunkApe 04-29-2018 09:30 AM

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Originally Posted by upthecreek (Post 2308961)

Yes. Interesting.

I might go to Vegas for the Derby next year.

PoloUK6108 04-29-2018 11:51 AM

Noble Indy, Flo is on fire. The dark Pletch :cool:

clicknow 04-29-2018 12:03 PM

I assume everyone is basing this on a dry track, right?

My wet track picks would be entirely different. I haven't looked at weather report, but I got my mudders lined up just in case.

PhantomOnTour 04-29-2018 12:37 PM

Enticed

PaceAdvantage 04-29-2018 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by nijinski (Post 2308926)
Keeping an eye on Hofburg
Love the breeding and the connections .for the classic distance .

Hey there! Good to see your name here again! :ThmbUp::)

Secondbest 04-29-2018 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by clicknow (Post 2309008)
I assume everyone is basing this on a dry track, right?

My wet track picks would be entirely different. I haven't looked at weather report, but I got my mudders lined up just in case.

Long range forecast is for sunny skies


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