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JeremyJet 01-08-2022 04:08 PM

Say Florida Sandy Stakes
 
They took him down, but Eric Cancel sure can thread the needle. Wow.

I would have let the results stand.

JustRalph 01-08-2022 08:51 PM

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Originally Posted by JeremyJet (Post 2778823)
They took him down, but Eric Cancel sure can thread the needle. Wow.

I would have let the results stand.

Cannot believe they took the winner down.

At least 2 other horses caused that shit……..

Seems like everybody wanted the rail

statepierback 01-08-2022 11:09 PM

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Originally Posted by JeremyJet (Post 2778823)
They took him down, but Eric Cancel sure can thread the needle. Wow.

I would have let the results stand.

Cancel didn't do himself any favors using the right hand stick. Could have been called either way. The dq cost me a nice size win wager.:bang:

westernmassbob 01-09-2022 07:59 AM

It was the correct call. The aggressive dangerous move by Cancel obviously caused the 2 horse a better placing. It doesn’t matter if “ My Boy Tate “ was much the best. I’m sure Cancel will also be fined...this could have ended up in a bad racing accident.

biggestal99 01-09-2022 09:13 AM

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Originally Posted by westernmassbob (Post 2778941)
It was the correct call. The aggressive dangerous move by Cancel obviously caused the 2 horse a better placing. It doesn’t matter if “ My Boy Tate “ was much the best. I’m sure Cancel will also be fined...this could have ended up in a bad racing accident.

He bumped the 2 horse. And caused problem, and he was hitting the horse right handed. Easy call. Cancel should have taken him outside.

Allan

Robert Fischer 01-09-2022 11:41 AM

I don't want to get into how Eric Cancels ride was incompetent, or how his riding of late was so bad as to get a steward_decision-like voodoo anxiety when handicapping the race prior.

Let's look at the incident;

:5: exchanged bumps and brushes with the :2:

Initially the :2: comes a bit into the :5:. It's relatively incidental and minor.
the final bump, after which where the rider of the :2: also dramatically took his horse up (and it was probably necessary) was more significant from the :5:'s contact than the early bumps of the :2: going into the :5:.

Importantly, this was preceded by the :1: initially herding the :5: into the :2:, followed soon after by the :3: herding the :5: into the :2:

Also of significance at the points of contact;
The :5: was contending for the win placing vs. the other stakes-quality horse, the :4:.
The :2: had leveled off and was clearly contending for 3rd place vs. 4th place.

It was a horrible decision.

If the premise of the decision is that a horse vying for 3rd/4th place possibly being cost a placing(3rd??) should DQ a win contender who exchanges contact in a crowd, then we need to change the wording of the rule.

classhandicapper 01-09-2022 12:21 PM

I was involved in the race. So maybe I’m biased. I thought it was a very close call either way. The #3 coming in was a clear part of the problem, but Cancel went right handed and imo his horse came in on its own at that point. The entire stretch run chain of events wasn’t Cancel’s fault, but I think the right hand whip was the deciding factor for the stewards.

Robert Fischer 01-09-2022 01:09 PM

ok, the ride
 
Form: = Hey the :1: is trying to wire, and my main rival is the :4: who will be forward. I'm in the :5: post and I can break and see how they break.

Track: = Slightly speed favoring track bias.


Ok let's start the race.


We Break!: = and the :5: breaks perfectly, fortunately neither the :1: nor :4: broke wayyy in front, PERFECT POSITION.

I'm even willing to give Eric Cancel credit for the break.
Nice Break. :ThmbUp::ThmbUp:


So they Broke, and Now what does he do: = He ****ing 'Lapses', he lets the pace!!

WTF ARE YOU DOING? You just decide to have a 'lapse' in the feature race, on the chalk???

This is inexcusable

he's now 5 ****ing lengths from the :1: and he's ****ing three lengths!! behind :4: Lobsta .... sitting there flat as **** like he thinks he's on a suck-up horse in a turf route.

I can't even finish this shit. You guys at least all agree on the MESS at the finish.

it's all ****ed up now.

Robert Fischer 01-09-2022 01:41 PM

i'm sorry, but the following images are 'graphic'
 
The Break
https://i.ibb.co/LYF3TgL/break.png
The 'Lapse'
https://i.ibb.co/0Kzhx5K/Position.png

Hoops McCann 01-10-2022 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by classhandicapper (Post 2778968)
I was involved in the race. So maybe I’m biased. I thought it was a very close call either way. The #3 coming in was a clear part of the problem, but Cancel went right handed and imo his horse came in on its own at that point. The entire stretch run chain of events wasn’t Cancel’s fault, but I think the right hand whip was the deciding factor for the stewards.

i thought it was a tough call as well. Cancel was riding a fine line between courageous and dangerous.

VeryOldMan 01-10-2022 03:25 PM

In real time I thought the issue was Cancel forcing the 5 into the two path and forcing a crowded stretch. I didn't see anything thereafter which the 5 caused.


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