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Andy Asaro 10-19-2018 07:24 PM

How does Trump hold the Saudi's accountable and not punish us in the process?
 
About as tricky a situation as there is. Good luck to him.


I don't see any good coming from cancelling arms deals.

Buckeye 10-19-2018 07:33 PM

Nobody's canceling anything at this point.

SA and Turkey will work it out.

Not our problem.

Andy Asaro 10-19-2018 07:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Buckeye (Post 2384886)
Nobody's canceling anything at this point.

SA and Turkey will work it out.

Not our problem.

Turkey was very eager to expose this and I trust them less than the Saudi's. I wish it wasn't our problem but it is and D.T. is gonna have to make a call.

boxcar 10-19-2018 07:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Andy Asaro (Post 2384881)
About as tricky a situation as there is. Good luck to him.


I don't see any good coming from cancelling arms deals.

Perhaps he'll absolve the Saudis of wrongdoing by shifting the blame where it very likely belongs -- on Obama's bosom buddies the Muslim Brotherhood who would not be able to tolerate western civilization coming to Saudi Arabia and upsetting their beloved and sacred Wahabi apple cart. What better way to derail East-West relations, fervently pursued by a forward-thinking Saudi prince, than a little body dismemberment of a journalist?

Trump isn't fooled by this. He knows what the real skinny is. :coffee:

elysiantraveller 10-19-2018 07:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Andy Asaro (Post 2384881)
About as tricky a situation as there is. Good luck to him.


I don't see any good coming from cancelling arms deals.

What do you mean?

We're the United States.

You walk in and tell them that unfortunately they're busted and these are the new rules for awhile. In the meantime we trust that the spice will continue to flow. If they don't like the new rules or the spice stops flowing they will get a new set of rules worse than the first.

Its pretty simple.

fast4522 10-19-2018 07:52 PM

I can't answer that one, the ugly truth is that the CIA, Mossad, KGB, MI6, FIS, GID, and others I missed have all done such and worse. What is so problematic is how sloppy the Saudi's were. They will get a pass because we not only need them dealing with Iran, and when the time comes Saudi Air Space will be essential.

Andy Asaro 10-19-2018 07:58 PM

Saudi's may have to off the crown prince who ordered it.

elysiantraveller 10-19-2018 08:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Andy Asaro (Post 2384902)
Saudi's may have to off the crown prince who ordered it.

Nah they just exile him like that last one for a few years...

fast4522 10-19-2018 08:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Andy Asaro (Post 2384902)
Saudi's may have to off the crown prince who ordered it.

Not going to happen, the story is a very visceral fight. A general will fall on his sword and admit to the killing.

elysiantraveller 10-19-2018 08:03 PM

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Originally Posted by fast4522 (Post 2384899)
I can't answer that one, the ugly truth is that the CIA, Mossad, KGB, MI6, FIS, GID, and others I missed have all done such and worse. What is so problematic is how sloppy the Saudi's were. They will get a pass because we not only need them dealing with Iran, and when the time comes Saudi Air Space will be essential.

I don't think we need the airspace but the problem is you're right you can't be that sloppy and expect to have no consequences.

They help us with containing Iran but lets be honest... even if we put them in timeout... they'd still help us with Iran.

fast4522 10-19-2018 08:09 PM

Not only will we use Saudi airspace but launch from Saudi soil and refuel there. Yes this is an ugly sloppy event, we have to allow it to blow over. Look for a major "wag the dog" soon.

woodtoo 10-19-2018 08:24 PM

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Originally Posted by fast4522 (Post 2384904)
Not going to happen, the story is a very visceral fight. A general will fall on his sword and admit to the killing.

This sound feasible. And logical next step. Where is the so called tape?

elysiantraveller 10-19-2018 08:31 PM

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Originally Posted by fast4522 (Post 2384906)
Not only will we use Saudi airspace but launch from Saudi soil and refuel there. Yes this is an ugly sloppy event, we have to allow it to blow over. Look for a major "wag the dog" soon.

Both Iraq and Afghanistan are closer.

Its all rather moot... we should just let the two of them fight it out anyway and hope they both lose.

elysiantraveller 10-19-2018 08:33 PM

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Originally Posted by woodtoo (Post 2384911)
This sound feasible. And logical next step. Where is the so called tape?

The Turks are using it as blackmail...

For as repulsive as he is Erdogan is pretty good at playing the game.

sammy the sage 10-19-2018 08:48 PM

The O.P.'s question is a tough one...if we do what we should do...what would happen if gas was $5 a gallon or more...our economy would be in very bad shape rather quickly...

Don't know the answer...think that's why Trump is stalling....he doesn't either...

Guess it will follow the Star Track...Spock..."good of the many outweigh the good of the few...or in this case...one"....


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