Got it. I'll finally get back home tomorrow night. I may not be able to participate Friday Handicapping wise but will soon enough.

Randall....you really know how to rub it in---THAT HORSE was gonna win me the contest ....until he scratched :mad:

Next year I'm taking no prisoners ...enjoy your stay at the top, my friend :lol:

You get credit for participating lol.

Come on now, Mule...lets see a maiden pick or two up there.

You've already got the makings of a good method :ThmbUp:

There may be something at Santa Anita we can pick out of the coal mine.

The year is definitely off and running when that happens and Keeneland opens! Thanks.

Like j68802 said Quinn has some good turf thoughts in Figure Handicapping. But that is only a starting point. I focused in on that book and Mike Helm's Pedigree Handicapping in the winter of 12-13. I picked up tidbits about turf from other handicapping books. A lot of jockey trainer stuff out there. Dick Mitchell's A Winning turf strategy was a help and Bill Heller's 2 turf books. But most of the progress was slowly testing things on my own and doing pedigree research. Applying sabermetric concepts to pace figures to come up with new ratings. Tracing family bloodlines to 2 turfy sire lines on both sides of the pedigree can be better than merely up front sire/damsires themselves, especially at smaller tracks. I can send you some basic info I have scanned into my documents if you'd like. Just PM me. It took me about 3 painstaking years to get a really comprehensive turf approach. I don't mind sharing some things.

Well since the racing hasn't started, I'll reply to your thoughtful post with a thoughtful response:

1) you know EXACTLY why I posted the check and the ADW stats. RR insinuated that I never made a bank check withdrawal on track. Once that was proven, he insinuated it was for monies deposited. Hence, the post of the relatively cold Pick 6 hit the day before.

With that said....

Thank you very much for your fair and equal treatment of all posters in all threads... you're a gem :) of a leader.

Don't worry. I'm not like all of you guys (90% of the people who posted in this thread). I won't do what they did (try and derail a thread).

Best of luck at the new meet everyone :ThmbUp:

While we're waiting for the interesting racing to start, Andy and the Mig did some fun looks back at classic Wood Memorials, including Bold Forbes in 1976 and Gulch just catching Gone West in 1987.


Worth taking a few minutes for the trip down memory lane.

Nice--enjoyed it, thanks. I couldn't get my mind off that car on the track in the Bold Forbes race....anyone see that? It was a civilian sedan just cruising down the track while the race was on and horses going by. Odd.

I usually gravitate to maiden claimers, with a vulnerable or lukewarm favourite, so Friday's last race has caught my eye - and with a field of 10!! :jump:

Quick notes

1 - toss
2 - FTS
3 - ML Favourite - not really impressed by his last start...
4 - FTS
5 - plodder, possible for bottom of verticals
6 - beaten 2x favourite, rider change, wouldn't be surprised if this one goes off as post time fav. Could win, but expect this one to be an underlay. Wouldn't be suprised if this one becomes a double digit race maiden
7 - taking the drop from 2 non-descript MSW starts, though speed figs put him in the hunt. A threat, and maybe worth a shot if he goes off at his 5-1 ML
8 - FTS
9 - Decent race in debut. Off two months, took 4 weeks to work after debut, then off another 3 weeks before next work. A threat, but has question marks
10 - dropping slightly in price off a fair debut


None of the horses with previous starts jump off the page. If the 8 looks good in the paddock and on post parade, he's my pick

8 w 7,9,10

Why do you gravitate to MC?

And, then you select or will favor a FTS, I just don't get it.

Based on your highlighted statement, I look for big or modest improvement out of the #5-Martino, and #1-Coral Ridge, and prior to seeing if any unusual betting action is present on any FTS, I'll take #7-Luzinski(Bull) in the Win spot. If I'm able to get out to the OTB, may make an exacta play on these.

I've had a change of heart. There will be no confusing contest in this thread. This thread will be for exactly what ReplayRandall intended. Nothing more, nothing less.

Thanks.

If anyone responds further to this contest stuff in this thread, and tries to make trouble, all mods are to give that person enough points to ban them for a while.

Thanks.

Like you, I could hardly see anything else. Some goodfellows keeping a close eye on their action maybe? 1976, what a year.

Where did you move the stuff to about the contest he was talking about? I scanned a couple of forums and probably overlooked it.

Edited: Nevermind, found it in selections in case anyone else is looking as well.

I find that (as a general statement) there are more beaten favs in MC than most races. Horses that have ran 2nd or 3rd for a few starts get bet more heavily than I feel they should

I will try to find a sleeper horse - maybe one or two starts with mediocre form. If I can't find one of those, I will look at a FTS

In this race, I pass on all those with starts as I don't see any that are likely to improve much off of their past races, and a couple will not offer value

So, I ended up on a FTS .... think there is value there