It's like playing the lottery when the big players are given half the winning numbers up front. No way is this a level playing field.

You can contact the TRPB if you have a specific date/track/race you’re concerned about. At the close of every race, they receive a feed from every tote system detailing every bet placed, and the time it was placed. This system is in place specifically to immediately find instances of past-post wagering when they happen. Which is not very often, and is always the result of a technical issue when it does.

You guys can keep arguing this until you’re blue in the face, but if you believe that past-posting occurs in this game on any kind of regular basis - or worse, that certain groups are allowed to do so - then you are wrong. Full stop.

Isn't this the same group that never told us which track it was where past posting occurred?

http://www.paceadvantage.com/forum/s...d.php?t=107314

3.15 Charlestown Race 4 - watch the race. Look at the odds. Once the 2 dumps the jock, they change dramatically. Look at will pays in double, p3 and p4.

Unreal...

These CRW guys are really smart, can even anticipate dumped riders. :)

I watched, but didn't see odds until the 1 horse was already 1-2.

I saw the odds change in the pools after they crossed the wire. The exactas changed big time. Perhaps it was a computer issue on my end.

The replay showed 1-2 on the backstretch right after the 2 dumped the rider. First there was a glitch showing odds from the prior race, then the top 4 with no odds, then the 1-2 showed up, but it all happened really fast.

Ah yes, the "glitch."

:rolleyes:

Those whales have really fast fingers.

The discrepancy between the horse’s win price and how it was playing in the p4 was pretty remarkable. I can understand the p3 and double pools not being efficient as they are fairly small at CT, but the p4 is similar to win pool.

Not sure if the payoff you're speaking of was high or low, but you have to keep in mind that as the payoff sizes increase (as they do with each added leg) less money is on each combination, relative to the pool.

So it's very easy for a payoff to be TOO LOW, not so much the other way.

this isn't the CRW. they don't have access to the pools after the races start, its simply someone that does have access, someone and somewhere we don't know yet. someone is getting live c-band feeds and taking advantage of the game.

all this game needs to do is nothing to stop after the bell, or for the non-believers, the perception of after the bell going on and it will continue to die a slow death.

In everyone's experience are there any tracks that are less "whale watched"? Or are all tracks being watched from Aqueduct to Zia Park?

My experience is just the opposite. The percent of pool bet by whale money is much higher at tracks with high rebates, raising the competitive level at the track.

Thus, a track that with low rebates may have only 4% or so of whale handle (i.e. CD, GG, SA), while a high rebate track (i.e. MNR, CT, TUP, PRM, PM) might have as much as 35%.

I find the low-rebate tracks to be much easier to beat.


Dave

4% whale handle.

Doubt it gets that low, or anything like it

If that were true , any decent handicapper would mint money