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JustRalph 09-29-2023 12:33 PM

$20 an hour flipping Burgers
 
California Gov signs bill to pay “fast food” workers $20 an hour or 40k+ a year.

Starts April 1st 2024


Predictions

1. $15 dollar Big Mac’s

2. By April 1st 2025 fast food places start closing quickly

PhantomOnTour 09-29-2023 12:37 PM

This is what I ask people who say restaurants with table service should pay their servers a living wage....do you want to pay $45 for your Chick Parm instead of the current $22 ??

Jeff P 09-29-2023 12:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JustRalph (Post 2905545)
...Starts April 1st 2024

Sadly, it's a real bill (not an April Fools Day joke.)

My prediction is automation... 2 or 3 employees per shift instead of 8.

A machine where burger patties go in at one end and come out as fully assembled and packaged Big Macs, etc. at the other.

Of course it'll be somebody's job to make sure the "bun magazine" is always loaded.

Sure as shit every once in a while one of those $20/hr employees is going to drop the ball.

And some poor customer who was handed his food at the drive through window is going to be 40 miles down the highway before opening the paper wrappers of one Big Mac after another only to discover the effing buns are missing. :D


-jp
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Bustin Stones 09-29-2023 01:12 PM

I'm in favor of automation. At least I'll have half a chance at getting that sandwich assembled without some of the contents half out of the bun. The french fry operation should be fully automated. Not sure about beverages after seeing coffee machines screw up an order.

Tom 09-29-2023 01:15 PM

You want fries wit dat?

$8.00! :eek:

thaskalos 09-29-2023 04:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JustRalph (Post 2905545)
California Gov signs bill to pay “fast food” workers $20 an hour or 40k+ a year.

Starts April 1st 2024


Predictions

1. $15 dollar Big Mac’s

2. By April 1st 2025 fast food places start closing quickly

A blessing in disguise, IMO. Fast food should be avoided at all costs.

JustRalph 09-29-2023 06:53 PM

Elon Musk is going to solve this problem eventually, but still some years away.

If you haven’t seen his humanoid robot, it’s very interesting.

https://www.teslaoracle.com/2023/09/...ff-mechanisms/



“In less than a year, the Optimus engineering team at Tesla enabled it to perform complex hand and body gestures. This is the result of the advancement Tesla has achieved in both the hardware and software side of Optimus.

Interestingly, Tesla Optimus identifies even its own body using the Tesla Vision neural net. “Using only vision and joint position encoders, it can precisely locate its limbs in space,” Tesla states as Optimus attempts to identify its arms and hands through its vision.“

https://youtu.be/0SGPdqTg-g4?si=3SaSwojJ-knvzhcV

PaceAdvantage 09-29-2023 06:55 PM

They don't want people to have jobs.

They want them to rely on the gov't guaranteed income

The gov't will be able to tax the shit out of corporations who will have much lower personnel expenses due to AI and robots and thus be able to afford sky-high tax rates.

Working as intended.

Bustin Stones 09-29-2023 08:20 PM

Your government wants you to perform competitive work. When you price yourself out of the market, either by edict or union agreements, there's opportunity to replace by handing your work offshore or to mechanization. The moral is to not price oneself out of the market.
There are services, such as mail delivery or teaching where that work cannot be farmed offshore. I would hope members of those unions don't believe they are qualified to advise manufacturing workers on how to negotiate. Automotive assemblers face very different challenges than folks who don't need to worry about their work being sent offshore.
AOC, as trained educator, has not had to expose herself to that pressure. And there's those who haven't been part of a union. That had to perform on a mutually agreed term of satisfaction or be sent packing. And that's also a pressure that neither union postal workers or teachers face. So, the least qualified people to advise others on how to negotiate with an employer should step back.

Inner Dirt 09-29-2023 09:02 PM

This will just drive more automation where humans will be replaced. The tipping point is always labor cost. If it looks like there is a chance using robotics will be more cost efficient, engineering companies will get on a solution.

Jeff P 09-29-2023 10:17 PM

And when robots are equipped with AI powerful enough that they become self aware?

What then?



-jp
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plainolebill 09-29-2023 11:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jeff P (Post 2905629)
And when robots are equipped with AI powerful enough that they become self aware?

What then?



-jp
.

Who will cross an AI picket line?

Inner Dirt 09-30-2023 03:20 PM

I am equally amazed at what is automated these days and what isn't.
How it's Made, is a cool show, since I haven't had anything more than broadcast TV I have not watched it in a dozen years. There are some technical mistakes, but it is mostly accurate. The mistakes are mainly using improper terminology for tools and processes. I am hoping the narrator
learned the difference from a drill and an end mill.

davew 09-30-2023 10:21 PM

orders being taken by people in India over skype

card only purchases / no cash

machines making most items


no more restrooms and indoor dining

entire fast food joint manned by 2 people


CALIFORNIA is trend setting ....

Mulerider 09-30-2023 10:47 PM

I remember a few years ago Wal-Mart held a self-serving PR press conference to announce that it was implementing a $15 minimum wage for its employees.

A few months later -- with no press conference that I know of -- Wal-Mart quietly began replacing its cashiers with self-service checkouts.


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