The North Korea Red-line
 

In a wonderful blunder Trump has effectively drawn a red line with North Korea. One I'm sure they'll be all too happy to cross. I wonder how many people who railed against Obama's Syria red line will let him slide on this.

Certainly glad I don't live in Seoul.

https://img.washingtonpost.com/rf/im...EeeSjjYkU5Bg6A

What red line is that? No more threats? LOL

You're a funny dude.

So Trump can issue ultimatums and not follow through but Barry can't?

This is literally how you amble into a war.

I hope he follows through. I guess we'll see.

**** NK. The war never ended anyway.

Cut off the head and what remains?

A hungry but free nation, maybe.

Whats your plan?

**** Seoul too, I guess.

Oops must have missed all the nations threatened by SK.:D

Mind numbing that you missed that point. That pitch came in like a Beach Ball.

Alternative is to keep coddling...has worked well thus far...way to go!

War is messy. We get that.

They don't get it. The world is a game of Risk where if you roll 6s you can't get hurt.

In a 1999 interview with Tim Russert (in the good old days when the MSM still had some real journalists), Trump said that he would first negotiate with North Korea, but was open to a preemptive nuclear strike.

https://townhall.com/tipsheet/leahbarkoukis/2017/08/09/flashback-heres-what-trump-told-tim-russert-in-1999-about-launching-preemptive-strike-against-nk-n2366459

No you obviously don't get it with that caviler attitude. The world has NEVER had two parties lobbing Nukes before. Tens of millions of lives at risk including MANY of our serviceman and you state "War is messy" and go back to trading the S&P.. :bang:

Yeah, we're just so clueless and dumb. We want to follow what has worked so well these past, I don't know, 20-30 years?

You know, the stuff that has gotten us to this point with NK. Let's continue using that strategy. Sanctions...coddling...maybe some bilateral talks...you know...all that good stuff that always works out.

Go back to coddling and sanctions that have gotten us to the point of the nuclear threat in the first place. It's worked so well so far.

It's not a cavalier attitude. It's an attitude that won't stand for business as usual, which got us into this mess in the first place.

Ineffective Clinton. Ineffective Bush. Ineffective Obama.

So here we are.

Doing more of the same would = insanity.

There will be no nuclear war or nukes launched on either side. We have the capability to prevent that from ever happening, while at the same time thoroughly neutering NK.

So take your bullshit talking points and your "go back to trading" comments to where they might actually play well.

Here's what I get: Slickster Willy got the world into this mess with the "great deal" he cut with NK. Now, its up to others to clean up his mess!

Maybe we can send John Kerry and James Taylor over, they will surely smooth out the lumps.:lol:

Oh really? Glad you feel secure about that. I sure as **** don't.

Fact : NK has been itching for war for decades
Fact : NK will be annihilated. Their choice.

And they'll take South Korea with them.

Are you deliberately being dense?

If you feel that insecure, then you should definitely NOT want to be looking towards a "business as usual" solution to this problem.

What would you suggest the President do, by the way? I'm curious to know what you think should happen. How would you go about solving the NK world problem?

That's a possibility...but it's not a very likely outcome.

So the risk of casualties in SK means what? We do nothing substantial or concrete? Just more words and sanctions?

Trump could always get down on his knees and beg the Slickster to go back over there and fix his own mess. Then when the Slickster returns he can tell us all how much safer we all are due to a new deal he cut. That would also close the mouths of all snowlfakes, liberals and leftists and all kinds of other whiners.

Nice contribution from the queen of red herrings.

Come back and play when you can actually contribute.

How are the origins of the current NK crisis a red herring? :lol:

You're right, as usual. He offered a sensible solution.

I was being serious when I wrote that I'd like to hear your ideas on what the USA should do about NK. If you've already posted them elsewhere, I'll get to it eventually...

BTW, everyone is fretting over all the artillery lined up on the SK border. How long do you think it would take for us to take that out entirely? I'm guessing not too long, so the casualties to SK from that particular threat probably won't amount to much.

It is my belief that NK is being propped up by the media as well as our own government to be a bigger threat then they actually are...

Doesn't mean they don't need to be dealt with in a manner inconsistent with the past. Just means they aren't as super-scary as they are made out to be...

[Sorry, I've been fighting like a Banshee trying to get back some of the 5K Trump cost me yesterday (and this morning) with his goddamn bullshit.]

China could starve NK to death. People want to eat. The onus has been on China for a long time now and everybody knows that. Cut off Korea's food and fuel and then they'd know the entire world was serious.

We could force China's hand by refusing to buy their products, trade tariffs etc. But obviously, China has yet to see this as the serious threat that it is.

China has to be made aware that we aren't playing games anymore.

I'm certain we all believe that Trump's remarks are just rhetoric. (And the markets overreacted, as usual, but more than normal this time. I always knew the "Korea" thing would be what sent volatility rocketing.) But he has backed himself into a corner.

Of course the alternative, from people smarter than me, is to accept the fact that NK is now a nuclear power. As unacceptable as that is, if it isn't a fact already it soon will be.

If we annihilate NK, South Korea and Toyko will probably fall.

There is no good answer, but bloviating line in the sand rhetoric just sets the world on edge, and is just another way for the attention starving Trump to put himself in the limelight.

The entire world must put pressure on China.

For the record, I was long from yesterday morning and the rally was storming along and making me some nice coin, until Trump uttered his fury and fire line, and then all my profits went to shit yesterday before I finally got out, so it hurt me too...

Starving people to death is a bit cruel and unusual...the ordinary NK folk are brainwashed and dictated over...threatened and coerced...so they should be starved to death as punishment? Doesn't sound all that fair to me when you look at it from a humanitarian perspective. There are quicker ways to kill NK's if you're looking to go that route.

In any event, I don't think China is going to do anything it doesn't want to do, no matter what kind of "pressure" is put upon them. So this really isn't much of a viable or reliable option, IMO.

We have played all these games for far too long, which has resulted in what is happening now.

Sanctions seldom work.
All they do is punish the poor while the leaders are unaffected. Cuba is a good example of that.
Kim Jong Il has to go.
The safest solution is to engineer a Palace Coup.
With the right amount of money thrown at them by the CIA, his Generals could be convinced to do that.
Anything other than that is going to lead to horrendous loss of lives.

I have seen a lot in the media to indicate that China is not at all happy with NK having nukes. One big problem is the potential for NK nuke accidents, which would be very damaging to the area of China bordering NK.

Same problem if NK got nuked. And in either case, but especially in case of war, China would be buried with NK refugees fleeing the country. Rumors are that China has been sending more troops to the border area to beef up security and prevent any flood of refugees.

I suspect that China is putting a lot of pressure on NK, but doing it behind the scenes.

Your China plan is EXACTLY what PDJTrump has been doing for months,
pressuring China. Im also sure he is in constant contact with his Generals.

More Risk board thinking. I can give you a realistic idea in a bit but for starters this country lost 2,996 people on 9/11. South Korea is facing that in the opening 45 seconds of hostilities.

I don't think he said nuke strike did he? I watched it a few days back......

Let me get this straight. You are the "War is messy guy".. Starving the enemy sure sucks it truly does. So the Gambler in you is analyzing the numbers and you choose to

1. Gamble that this nut isn't crazy enough to launch. Trust me if he doesn't he is a dead man in his country as he totally loses face.

2. Gamble Tens of millions of Lives in Korea, Maybe multiple times that in Japan and possible millions more in Hawaii on the fact that he won't be able to get any shots off cause our defenses will prohibit it. Mind you that in nuclear war they would need to work 100%, 99.9% isn't good enough and could mean tens of millions of lives lost.

I don't understand how you go from "War is Messy" to taking all the gamble so you aren't cruel to the enemy . All this in less than 2 hours.

We haven't held hands and sang songs yet, so we aren't actually at the end of diplomacy...

C'mon...the Silver-tongued, Lying Slickster has to do something for an encore. Then he can brag again about how safe he has made the world. Heck...what is the option...the fire and brimstone Trump promised NK yesterday? I know you wouldn't want that under any circumstances, right? :coffee:

Since this is like the 5th time you've mentioned Bill Clinton's NK "failure" (and you're not the only one), maybe you should go over this history lesson of the major role GWB played in what we have now with NK..

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...rea-deal-fail/