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fast4522 11-24-2018 09:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Clocker (Post 2399883)
News flash. Joe Kennedy caused the Great Depression. Hard to argue with that kind of detailed historical evidence and analysis.

No he did not, but recieved infomation what was to happen.

woodtoo 11-24-2018 04:56 PM

A new Econpol Policy Brief shows 4.5% of the 25% Chinese tariffs are being paid by American consumers with Chinese producers absorbing the remaining 20.5%.
According to the authors Benedikt Zollar-Rydzek.
#winning

chadk66 11-24-2018 06:17 PM

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Originally Posted by woodtoo (Post 2400160)
A new Econpol Policy Brief shows 4.5% of the 25% Chinese tariffs are being paid by American consumers with Chinese producers absorbing the remaining 20.5%.
According to the authors Benedikt Zollar-Rydzek.
#winning

looks like winning to me

Clocker 11-24-2018 06:33 PM

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Originally Posted by chadk66 (Post 2400194)
looks like winning to me


To repeat, if American consumers aren't paying the tariffs, then the Chinese products remain price competitive, and American consumers will tend to buy the less expensive Chinese products rather than switch to more expensive American made goods.

Therefore the tariffs are not doing what Trump wanted them to do, which was to make Chinese products more expensive than American products. That is hardly winning for The Donald.

And I suspect that the Chinese government is subsidizing the Chinese firms that are "absorbing" the larger part of the tariffs. To further repeat, Trump's tariffs are taxes on American consumers. By absorbing the greater part of the tariffs, the Chinese are reducing the taxes paid by Americans in return for them buying Chinese imports.

Look for nasty tweets from Trump on this once someone explains it to him. ;)

fast4522 11-24-2018 07:33 PM

Wrong, companys are forced into zero profit to keep jobs for workers. This is really bad for China, they can change or burn. This is no exaggeration, things are not good for them.

Clocker 11-24-2018 08:14 PM

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Originally Posted by fast4522 (Post 2400236)
Wrong, companys are forced into zero profit to keep jobs for workers. This is really bad for China, they can change or burn. This is no exaggeration, things are not good for them.

You can't learn what is going on in the world from reading Trump's tweets. China is giving tax breaks and other incentives to companies hit by Trump's tariffs.

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Less than a week after the United States and China struck each other with steep tariffs, Beijing has unveiled a basic outline to help Chinese companies absorb the blows, pledging to funnel money collected from levies to firms and workers tangled in the escalating trade war.

Officials also encouraged businesses here to roll back their reliance on U.S. goods, urging them to shift orders for products such as soybeans and automobiles to suppliers in China or countries other than the United States.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world...=.049f83c53fb9


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China announced measures to support some of the exporters targeted by U.S. President Donald Trump’s barrage of higher tariffs.

The Ministry of Finance said it will raise export rebate rates for 397 goods, ranging from lubricants to children’s books, meaning that firms shipping such products abroad will pay less value-added tax. The new rates will be effective from Sept. 15, the ministry said Friday in a statement on its website.

About a sixth of the items were among the products already hit by U.S. tariffs recently imposed on $50 billion in Chinese goods, such as pressure-reducing valves or lubricants. Bloomberg identified these items by comparing the products on the VAT list to items on the lists of goods hit by higher levies. At least another 67 items getting a rebate may soon be hit by the next round of tariffs.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...-trump-tariffs

fast4522 11-24-2018 08:19 PM

I do not have a twitter, facebook, or any of the names I know nothing about. I am really oldschool and do not want to sign up for any of it. I do know China can lose trillons on just one day, that ain't so bad.

Clocker 11-24-2018 08:32 PM

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Originally Posted by fast4522 (Post 2400261)
I do not have a twitter, facebook, or any of the names I know nothing about. I am really oldschool and do not want to sign up for any of it. I do know China can lose trillons on just one day, that ain't so bad.

All you need is Google, which you have if you are on the internet. You have no facts or sources to support statements like Chinese firms have zero profits.

How is China going to lose trillions if it is still selling its goods to American consumers and it has stopped buying American products like soy beans, previously a big deal for American farmers? This is just making our trade deficit with China even worse than it was before the tariffs.

fast4522 11-24-2018 08:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Clocker (Post 2400270)
All you need is Google, which you have if you are on the internet. You have no facts or sources to support statements like Chinese firms have zero profits.

How is China going to lose trillions if it is still selling its goods to American consumers and it has stopped buying American products like soy beans, previously a big deal for American farmers? This is just making our trade deficit with China even worse than it was before the tariffs.

The American farmer was doing so well with soy products that it cut planting carrots. Now shifting more a percentage of carrots there will not be the shortage in carrots in 2019 that there was 2018. Hey I read, just let you know I don't need the phone for anything other than making calls. Let me spell it out for you, F%$&k China.

FantasticDan 11-26-2018 12:44 PM


azeri98 11-26-2018 02:19 PM

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Originally Posted by FantasticDan (Post 2400944)

This is bad news for Trumps agenda, those tax cuts didn't help GM I guess.

Clocker 11-26-2018 05:45 PM

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Originally Posted by FantasticDan (Post 2400944)
Trump has been lying this month that car plants are opening in "Michigan and Ohio and Pennsylvania and South Carolina and North Carolina and Florida." https://twitter.com/AP/status/1067079061028200448 …

It's just a little exaggeration to get his message across to the public. Like when he touted the impact of his steel tariffs. Nothing wrong with a guy tooting his own horn every once in a while. :faint:

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President Donald Trump is crediting his tariffs with persuading U.S. Steel to open a half dozen new plants. That's not so.

TRUMP at a Pennsylvania rally Thursday night: "U.S. Steel is opening up seven plants." On Tuesday, he told supporters in Florida: "U.S. Steel just announced that they're building six new steel mills."

THE FACTS: The Pittsburgh-based company has made no such announcement. U.S. Steel spokeswoman Meghan Cox declined to comment on Trump's claim but said any "operational changes" such as the opening of new mills would be "publicly announced" and "made available on our website" if it occurred.
https://www.foxbusiness.com/markets/...g-mills-not-so

barahona44 11-26-2018 06:52 PM

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Originally Posted by fast4522 (Post 2400275)
The American farmer was doing so well with soy products that it cut planting carrots. Now shifting more a percentage of carrots there will not be the shortage in carrots in 2019 that there was 2018. Hey I read, just let you know I don't need the phone for anything other than making calls. Let me spell it out for you, F%$&k China.

Thank God I can start making carrot cake again. :cool:

fast4522 11-26-2018 07:26 PM

Well it is factual, instead of carrots farmers increased soy. The very small fraction that these United States sells into mainland China is a pittance compared to what China sells into our country. The pressure of trade tariffs is well worth the pain we absorb for objectives of forcing fair trade with China. Our friend with the economics degree is more concerned about his portfolio than those poor poor Walmart shoppers.

JustRalph 11-26-2018 07:32 PM

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Originally Posted by azeri98 (Post 2400962)
This is bad news for Trumps agenda, those tax cuts didn't help GM I guess.

GM has always been their own worse enemy.

Look around? They have the worst designed cars on the planet. Wasted billions on the Volt.

The Cadillac division has been a loser for 15 yrs plus

Pontiac and Olds disappeared after producing quite possibly the worst looking cars ever.


Anybody recall the Aztek?

Good riddance!

Clocker 11-26-2018 07:52 PM

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Originally Posted by fast4522 (Post 2401065)
Well it is factual, instead of carrots farmers increased soy.


Did you just make this up? The big carrot growers are in California, Washington, and Texas. Soybeans are a major crop in the upper Midwest: Iowa, Minnesota, and the Dakotas. And soybean farmers there are hurting.

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/10/08/refu...ps-buying.html

boxcar 11-26-2018 07:53 PM

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Originally Posted by JustRalph (Post 2401072)
GM has always been their own worse enemy.

Look around? They have the worst designed cars on the planet. Wasted billions on the Volt.

The Cadillac division has been a loser for 15 yrs plus

Pontiac and Olds disappeared after producing quite possibly the worst looking cars ever.


Anybody recall the Aztek?

Good riddance!

But it's so much easier for the lazy-minded to blame Trump for GM's woes.

fast4522 11-26-2018 07:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Clocker (Post 2401084)
Did you just make this up? The big carrot growers are in California, Washington, and Texas. Soybeans are a major crop in the upper Midwest: Iowa, Minnesota, and the Dakotas. And soybean farmers there are hurting.

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/10/08/refu...ps-buying.html

Carrots are like grass, will grow anyplace. Yes a shortage in 2018 because other crops.

chadk66 11-26-2018 08:13 PM

Soy Bean farmers can plant numerous other crops besides Soy Beans. They've been planting crops based on proposed prices for the upcoming year forever. They will just choose to plant other crops for the most part. In ND farmers have a choice between about fourteen different crops. Most have half a dozen different crops in a given year. And with the steep reduction of Soy Bean acres planted over the next couple years will come record prices for Soy Beans the following couple years. Happens all the time with crops.

Clocker 11-26-2018 08:31 PM

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Originally Posted by chadk66 (Post 2401094)
Soy Bean farmers can plant numerous other crops besides Soy Beans.

Including carrots?


Are ND farmers hurt or not by Chinese tariffs on soybeans?

FantasticDan 01-23-2019 03:05 PM


jocko699 01-23-2019 09:28 PM

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Originally Posted by FantasticDan (Post 2421863)

Ummm, they would never do that

Clocker 01-23-2019 09:38 PM

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Originally Posted by jocko699 (Post 2422016)
Ummm, they would never do that

Why not? Most of the politicians there and elsewhere are just as clueless about tariffs as Trump is, and don't realize that all they are doing is imposing higher taxes on their own citizens.

jocko699 01-23-2019 09:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Clocker (Post 2422021)
Why not? Most of the politicians there and elsewhere are just as clueless about tariffs as Trump is, and don't realize that all they are doing is imposing higher taxes on their own citizens.

Because at the end of the day the grown-ups will decide, i.e. those with the money in their pockets.

Clocker 01-23-2019 09:51 PM

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Originally Posted by jocko699 (Post 2422026)
Because at the end of the day the grown-ups will decide, i.e. those with the money in their pockets.


The "grown-ups" with money in their pockets hate tariffs. They love the profits on cheap imports sold to citizens of the richest country in the world in a healthy economy.

jocko699 01-23-2019 09:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Clocker (Post 2422037)
The "grown-ups" with money in their pockets hate tariffs. They love the profits on cheap imports sold to citizens of the richest country in the world in a healthy economy.

They did not get money in their pockets of that magnitude not to be able to maneuver. The EU will never press its luck against the US, UK yes but not the US.


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