Originally Posted by Redboard

Exactly. We have our illustrious gov to thank for this mess. He of the 2016 presidential aspirations. The state invested $263 million to finish building the Revel( in exchange for 20% of the revenues), screwed the horsemen out of any purse supplements and refused to put casinos anywhere else in the state. Any idiot could see that, with surrounding states now having casinos, AC needed another casino like another hole in the head. If I’m a resident of Philadelphia, why would I have to drive 2 hours to play a game of blackjack?
Why not was put a casino in Camden, Monmouth and the Meadowlands? You know, like, where the people are. Idiot.

Originally Posted by SandyW

The one thing that has to be remembered is that the NCAA, MLB, NFL, is against the spread of sports wagering and that Harry Reid is in charge of the senate.
These hurdles alone will be almost impossible to over come.
The feds will shut Jersey down on the first day that they try to start sports wagering.

Originally Posted by onefast99

Here's hoping it continues to do so, and that eventually each state
will have a choice as to whether it's residents can wager legally
on a sporting event.

horses4courses you nailed it let the states decide!

Originally Posted by biggestal99

In Jersey it wasn't, politicians that passed a law, it was the citizens via the vote decided that sports betting was allowed at casinos and racetracks.

The state is just following what the voters want.

Allan

Originally Posted by horses4courses

I agree with all you say, until the last part.

Never say never - especially when it comes to "easy money".

It's always blown me away how much money can be bet - either legally
or otherwise - on a single game point spread in this country.
The perfect scenario for "fixing" is a huge favorite (say, over 14 points in
either football or basketball) that still wins the game, but doesn't
come close to covering the spread. The casual bystander thinks
nothing of it - after all, the favorite won the game. End of story.

You are correct in saying that pro athletes would be harder to bribe.
College athletes are far more prone to "take a dive".
However, nothing is impossible when large sums of cash are involved.

These types of "non-covering favorite" situations could occur pretty easily
with little risk of detection. Unless, those involved got too greedy and tried it
once too often.

Where would they get the wagers down?
Hard to say, except that large illegal bookmakers might be very interested
in being able to lay large sums at favorable spreads to unsuspecting bettors
in the knowledge that they won't be having to pay out.

This is where the pro sports bodies, and the NCAA, start to cough uncomfortably,
and try to change the topic of discussion.
They always deny that legal books in Nevada are the best possible
barometer for uncovering point-shaving and fixing situations.
Unusual betting patterns can be detected in Nevada pretty easily,
and those responsible actually have a chance of being caught.
This has happened on more than one occasion - an Arizona State
point-shaving scheme comes to mind in 1994.

Under current conditions, with billions being bet illegally
both in the US and with the offshore books, game fixing is far more difficult to detect.
Pro sports, and the NCAA, have no desire to make changes.
They argue their games will become tainted
should gambling on them be legalized beyond Nevada.
They don't want change because they are making billions as things stand.

I won't go into the probable influences on those who lobby politically
for these sports bodies. You can draw your own conclusions.
It's safe to say, though, that all involved do very nicely
under the current state of affairs. They long to maintain the status quo.

This state of inertia, when it comes to sports wagering, goes against the wishes of a growing number of younger voters. It's not a critical issue, by any means, but, like marijuana, it has gained more prominence.

Here's hoping it continues to do so, and that eventually each state
will have a choice as to whether it's residents can wager legally
on a sporting event.

Originally Posted by thespaah

Right...never say never.
Look, I just don't buy the idea that if sports betting is permitted beyond the borders of Nevada, the sports world will experience a spontaneous combustion.
IN the end, we're adults. We should be permitted the right to make up our minds as to sports wagering.

Originally Posted by thaskalos

There are two OTBs within a four-mile drive of my place of residence...and there is a full-scale casino 9 minutes away. Local bars and restaurants have legally installed slot machines...and, as if all that weren't enough, there is even a place called "Stella's" that's opened up nearby...which is strictly a gambling parlor featuring five slot machines, thinly camouflaged by a very limited eating and drinking menu.

And yet...it is still illegal for me to invite a group of friends over for a night of poker...and I am breaking the "law" if I place a bet on my favorite team so I can watch the game at home with a cold beer.

And they call this "justice"...?

Originally Posted by Canarsie

Please explain to me how Christie in his first year of office was getting anything done without the cooperation of the senate presidents approval. Last time I looked he was a republican in a heavily dominated senate and assembly by the opposing party. Lets throw in Sweeney is from south Jersey do you really think he cares about Secaucus?

http://www.pressofatlanticcity.com/n...a4bcf887a.html


Camden? REALLY??? Camden? Do you really think you could get one corporation to invest in a casino LOCATED IN CAMDEN??? May be its convenient for you but he would be impeached if a dollar from state funds was invested there for gambling purposes. My hunch is nine out of ten potential customers would drive up to an additional thirty miles to avoid going there.



http://www.us-places.com/New-Jersey/...-by-County.htm

Originally Posted by thespaah

Camden? God bless them...
I'm NOT going to Camden.
I like my body to remain intact

Originally Posted by biggestal99

What federal law will jersey be violating? The answer there is no federal law on the books preventing jersey from rescinding its sports betting laws as long as they don't sponser or promote sports betting.

Allan

Originally Posted by Redboard

Besides the size of the native population, Philly is usually in the top 15 cities visited in the U.S. How many visitors does Middlesex or Newark get every year? There is one casino in Philly now, but a little competition never hurt and if the place offered better gambling options, who wouldn't walk across the bridge.

The Philadelphia 76ers are investing $82 million on a new practice facility in Camden.

http://www.nj.com/camden/index.ssf/2...est_in_us.html

They could put a casino in the same area, which is known as the Camden waterfront. There’s a ball park there for their minor league team, a concert arena, an Aquarium. Handle security the same way they do in AC, hire extra police to patrol a designated area.

As far as Monmouth, they already has the infrastructure along with parking etc. No need to build anything. Of course it would have to be approved by the horsemen.



The 76ers plan to build it in parking lot #2 on the map below.

Originally Posted by onefast99

As far as Monmouth, they already has the infrastructure along with parking etc. No need to build anything. Of course it would have to be approved by the horsemen.
The horsemen are the reason MP is still operating!

Originally Posted by Robert Goren

It is my understanding that they are not the reason it is operating, but they are actually operating it.

Originally Posted by onefast99

The NJSEA turned over the operation to the horsemen in May 2012 after Morris Bailey bailed out. Dennis Drazin and Darby Development along with the horsemen run Favorites in Woodbridge, the new favorites in Hillsborough(opening soon)and MP racetrack. There are several "joint" ventures between Jeff Gural(runs the Meadowlands harness)and Drazin are trying to do but thus far they haven't been successful.

Monmouth Park Racetrack is off and running but operating now under the management of the New Jersey Thoroughbred Horsemen’s Association (NJTHA).

According to Dennis Drazin, NJTHA Advisor, the time had come to privatize the racetrack. “The horsemen stepped up to the plate and they feel very good about the fact that now they control their own destiny,” said Drazin. “There’s no uncertainty anymore. The horsemen can make this work, we have the vision, we have the where with all, so the state’s out the business and were in charge.”

Originally Posted by RunForTheRoses

They should just go ahead and do this and see what the Fed Govt does. Marijuana is illegal at the federal level but it has not stopped many states.

Originally Posted by thaskalos

There are two OTBs within a four-mile drive of my place of residence...and there is a full-scale casino 9 minutes away. Local bars and restaurants have legally installed slot machines...and, as if all that weren't enough, there is even a place called "Stella's" that's opened up nearby...which is strictly a gambling parlor featuring five slot machines, thinly camouflaged by a very limited eating and drinking menu.

And yet...it is still illegal for me to invite a group of friends over for a night of poker...and I am breaking the "law" if I place a bet on my favorite team so I can watch the game at home with a cold beer.

And they call this "justice"...?

Originally Posted by eurocapper

I would think twice about it, there are reasons other than bigotry that it's not legal. Lower division euro soccer is corrupt, and US baseball also used to be corrupt (more than today).

Originally Posted by SandyW

Ask Delaware what happened when they tried to start up full time sports betting.

Originally Posted by mgoldie1

BKS, you are correct. There have been at least 3 different instances that were quoted from the sports leagues, the doj lawyer, and even a judge at the Court of Appeals who all said, in essence, that PASPA is not forcing them to do anything and it's not a violation of PASPA if NJ repeals it's prohibition on sports betting. So, Senator Lesniak introduced a bill that would do just that, only at casinos and racetracks. It's now on the Governor's desk.

In my opinion, I think Chrisite will veto it. I think the only reason that he was the "aggressor" in trying to get sports betting legalized was that the NJ legislature did an intelligent thing and got the sports betting question on the ballot in 2011 without the need of the Governor's approval. Then, when the voter's overwhelmingly voted YES to sports betting, the Governor would have looked real bad not to fight for it. Based on his future aspirations for the Republican nominee for president and the possible questions regarding possible new lawsuits in resonse to the new sports betting repeal prohibition, I think he veto's it.

I would think at that point they could try to override the veto, but the NJ legislature has NEVER been able to override his veto due to the fact that the minority of Republicans in the NJ legislature, even if they overwhelmingly agreed with the bill, will NEVER go against their Governor.

It should be interesting to see how this turns out, especially since one particular senator (Senator Beck) is a republican, is a co-sponsor of the bill, and represents Oceanport, where Monmouth Park is located. If Christie veto's it, will she have the guts to try to override his veto? We will see.

Originally Posted by biggestal99

Christie pushed hot and heavy for privitize the horse tracks, sports betting enhances the track in a positive way. Now he vetos a way to help the track stand on its own two feet?

Not sure how he vetos with a straight face. Sports betting will also be at AC casinos, Christie placed a huge wager on making AC casinos revenue stream increase,

Allan

Originally Posted by biggestal99

Christie pushed hot and heavy for privitize the horse tracks, sports betting enhances the track in a positive way. Now he vetos a way to help the track stand on its own two feet?

Not sure how he vetos with a straight face. Sports betting will also be at AC casinos, Christie placed a huge wager on making AC casinos revenue stream increase,

Allan

Originally Posted by onefast99

The smaller details are what seems to be his issue. No real compliance plan has been laid out, no state office has stepped up and said they could "monitor" all of the money flowing into this form of gaming. The possible issues with cheating, payoffs and changing odds as well as collection methods used by those being licensed are all very real.

Originally Posted by biggestal99

There is no compliance issues, no state agency can be involved with this per the court ruling basically its lassiez-faire meaning no state involvement whatsoever. Aka anything goes.

Can Christie with his fed background let sporting betting go without state regulations at the casinos and razcetracks. And allow both to flourish.

There will be no licence for sports betting in Jersey under the current legislation on Christies desk.

Allan

Allan

Originally Posted by onefast99

It's a play on words, to keep the feds happy there will be no licensing requirement, but if you don't own a casino or run a racetrack you aren't getting sports wagering. All of those who currently fit this description are licensed by the Racing Commission or the NJ Casino Control Commission, so to make you happy a separate license isn't required but if you think for one second the state isn't going to monitor the amount of monies or activities of this form or gaming you don't know NJ!

Originally Posted by Bluto Blutarsky

Just saw this in today's paper-

Christie deflected another gambling question – about whether he would sign into law an amended sports betting bill passed by the Legislature last week that would allow the wagering at the state’s racetracks and Atlantic City casinos. While the U.S. Supreme Court declined to take the case last week, various federal attorneys during the two-year court battle had laid out a blueprint as to how New Jersey could craft a new betting law that does not violate a limited 1992 ban on sports betting.

“I have not yet reviewed the bill, and I have 45 days in which to review the bill,” Christie said. “As soon as I do and make my decision, I won’t be shy.”

Originally Posted by biggestal99

There is no compliance issues, no state agency can be involved with this per the court ruling basically its lassiez-faire meaning no state involvement whatsoever. Aka anything goes.

Can Christie with his fed background let sporting betting go without state regulations at the casinos and razcetracks. And allow both to flourish.

There will be no licence for sports betting in Jersey under the current legislation on Christies desk.

Allan

Allan

Originally Posted by bks

Appreciate this reply. I think it will be very interesting, given how quickly and easily the bill passed the legislature. Clearly there's enough support there. If Christie signals to Republicans that his veto is only for show, then they may feel free to override it without incurring his wrath.

Lesniak seems quite confident, but I have no way of gauging how good an indicator that is of the bill's final passage.

It is of considerable interest to me as an NJ seashore homeowner. Rooting hard for this to pass.

Originally Posted by Stillriledup

How can AC survive without sports betting?