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Scamper 10-18-2022 10:30 AM

50 years of handicapping - what you need
 
1f fractions: The last two 1f
fractions of the last race.
I take the four values from
the last two races and
sort them in lowest to
highest value order.

12.3 12.2 11.9 12.0 > 11.9 12.0 12.3 12.2
25.5 23.9 low to high order


Late Speed/Mph: The last 1f
fractions (including mph
converted speed) of the last race.

08 12.7 12.3 13.2 14.8 13.4 11.8 |
355 +11 366 342 -37 305 336 +46 382
pp last race 2 races ago 3 races ago
r1 mph +- mph r2 mph +- mph r3 mph +- mph

Dave Schwartz 10-18-2022 10:51 AM

May I ask, "Are you a winning player?"

mhaney0423 10-18-2022 12:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dave Schwartz (Post 2835895)
May I ask, "Are you a winning player?"

Come on Dave, we're all winning players.......some of the time :)

rosenowsr 10-18-2022 12:42 PM

I still remember winning once in a while

PhantomOnTour 10-18-2022 12:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dave Schwartz (Post 2835895)
May I ask, "Are you a winning player?"

Are you?

Dave Schwartz 10-18-2022 02:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PhantomOnTour (Post 2835924)
Are you?

I am.

PaceAdvantage 10-18-2022 02:45 PM

Considering I posted MULTIPLE 500+ race profitable runs on this very website using Dave's software, I have no doubt he's a winning player.

PhantomOnTour 10-18-2022 02:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dave Schwartz (Post 2835937)
I am.

I'm not saying you're lying, but seeing is believing, no?

Tom 10-18-2022 04:11 PM

I've seen him do sessions more than once,
Why would a winning player suffer an internet unknown's doubts?

Pay him for a consultaion seesion and finf out.

Dave Schwartz 10-18-2022 04:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PhantomOnTour (Post 2835939)
I'm not saying you're lying, but seeing is believing, no?

I've been over this so many times in the past, including trotting out my betting history in a live workshop to a public naysayer, who, ultimately kept his promise and publicly admitted what he had seen.


The point is that everyone knows how to handicap.
And everybody is an expert.

Meanwhile, horse racing eats experts for breakfast.

My question was not an accusation, or an inference that Mr. Scamper was not a winning player.
It was simply a logical question to ask before making the effort to try to understand the advice he was offering.
I'm very fortunate in that many players reach out to me. They tell their handicapping stories. They explain how they handicap.
When I ask that question, the majority of horse players tell the truth.

Now, just to be clear, just because someone is not a winning player does not mean they don't have good ideas. In fact, I am currently working with about a half dozen such players.

I help them and they help me.

How do they help me?
By opening my mind to their thinking process.

For me, it is like a whiteboard session with someone who can clearly articulate their process.

These are collaborations, not coaching and there is no charge.
I just can never tell where the next great idea will come from.

But the source of these ideas must be vetted and that vetting begins with that simple question. "Are you a winning player?"

If, after all these decades of my posts, my books, my videos...

If, after all that, you doubt that I know what I am talking about, a day or two of me betting live will not be enough to convince you.

ranchwest 10-18-2022 10:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PhantomOnTour (Post 2835939)
I'm not saying you're lying, but seeing is believing, no?

I'll tell you this... I've been handicapping for 50 years and Dave has taught me more about the process of winning than all of the books, articles, posts and conversations I have ever gone through put together. No joke.

oughtoh 10-18-2022 10:58 PM

I also have seen Dave do session more than nce and wins.

Dave S 10-19-2022 11:53 AM

Just don't give him any money up front for anything not already completed or you may regret it like I have.

PaceAdvantage 10-19-2022 12:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dave S (Post 2836053)
Just don't give him any money up front for anything not already completed or you may regret it like I have.

Yeah, he's nothing but a scam artist. :lol:

mhaney0423 10-19-2022 12:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PaceAdvantage (Post 2836056)
Yeah, he's nothing but a scam artist. :lol:

Just goes to show that you can never please all of the people all of the time.


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