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fast4522 11-29-2020 02:38 PM

Suicide claimed more Japanese lives in October than 10 months of COVID
 
In Japan, more people died from suicide last month than from Covid in all of 2020. And women have been impacted most

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/japan-s...-covid-deaths/

Dahoss9698 11-29-2020 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by fast4522 (Post 2679249)
In Japan, more people died from suicide last month than from Covid in all of 2020. And women have been impacted most

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/japan-s...-covid-deaths/

This has been posted already.

My guess is a large portion of Japan have access to your posts here

classhandicapper 11-29-2020 04:19 PM

The sad part about all the suicides and economic ruin is that all the mask wearing, social distancing, and lockdowns that caused it hasn't stopped the spread of the virus. Cases are starting to spike a little now there also.

All these extreme actions merely delay when it's eventually going to spread.

Without a thorough analysis of the long term economic costs, mental health costs, physical health costs, spousal abuses, suicides, drug/alcohol abuse etc... that comes with extreme lockdowns you can't even be sure if you are doing the right thing.

I'm starting to think the guys that said protect the weak and vulnerable and do mask and limited social distancing had it right. The extreme measures don't stop it and the long term costs of a hard lockdown are huge.

SkunkApe 11-29-2020 04:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dahoss9698 (Post 2679267)
This has been posted already.

My guess is a large portion of Japan have access to your posts here

I laughed.

Hard.

(thanks)

Dahoss9698 11-29-2020 05:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by classhandicapper (Post 2679321)
The sad part about all the suicides and economic ruin is that all the mask wearing, social distancing, and lockdowns that caused it hasn't stopped the spread of the virus. Cases are starting to spike a little now there also.

All these extreme actions merely delay when it's eventually going to spread.

Without a thorough analysis of the long term economic costs, mental health costs, physical health costs, spousal abuses, suicides, drug/alcohol abuse etc... that comes with extreme lockdowns you can't even be sure if you are doing the right thing.

I'm starting to think the guys that said protect the weak and vulnerable and do mask and limited social distancing had it right. The extreme measures don't stop it and the long term costs of a hard lockdown are huge.

This isn’t accurate. Cases are spiking everywhere because people aren’t wearing masks, aren’t social distancing and carrying on like everything is okay.

Parties, get together, campaign rallies, protests, etc are all things that other countries who have been very successful at containing the virus are not doing.

zico20 11-29-2020 05:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dahoss9698 (Post 2679364)
This isn’t accurate. Cases are spiking everywhere because people aren’t wearing masks, aren’t social distancing and carrying on like everything is okay.

Parties, get together, campaign rallies, protests, etc are all things that other countries who have been very successful at containing the virus are not doing.

According to Democrats if Trump would have taken this seriously and ordered a national mask mandate this would all be over. Biden said no one would have died. Democrats, don't you think it is at least possible that one man can't stop a easily contagious virus from spreading.

Dahoss9698 11-29-2020 05:51 PM

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Originally Posted by zico20 (Post 2679372)
According to Democrats if Trump would have taken this seriously and ordered a national mask mandate this would all be over. Biden said no one would have died. Democrats, don't you think it is at least possible that one man can't stop a easily contagious virus from spreading.

What Democrats said this? Give me actual examples. Also, please provide a link to Biden saying no one would’ve died with a national mask mandate.

Of course Trump himself couldn’t stop it from spreading. But his poor leadership then and now is not helping. Instead of being a strong leader and being honest about the virus, how easily it is spread and how dangerous it could be...he wanted to “be positive”. Instead of embracing wearing a mask he wanted to pander to dumb faux patriots because he knows they eat up his fake tough guy routine.

Trump’s problem is he always thinks he’s the smartest person on every topic and the reality is he never is.

woodtoo 11-29-2020 05:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dahoss9698 (Post 2679376)
What Democrats said this? Give me actual examples. Also, please provide a link to Biden saying no one would’ve died with a national mask mandate.

Of course Trump himself couldn’t stop it from spreading. But his poor leadership then and now is not helping. Instead of being a strong leader and being honest about the virus, how easily it is spread and how dangerous it could be...he wanted to “be positive”. Instead of embracing wearing a mask he wanted to pander to dumb faux patriots because he knows they eat up his fake tough guy routine.

Trump’s problem is he always thinks he’s the smartest person on every topic and the reality is he never is.

Get outta here.

Dahoss9698 11-29-2020 05:59 PM

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Originally Posted by woodtoo (Post 2679381)
Get outta here.

What did you disagree with? Use your words.

Robert Fischer 11-29-2020 06:48 PM

not the place to share this

and i'm not suicidal

but fkit i've laughed about it, and wondered if there has ever been a dark comedy of a 'suicide helpline', that helped certain suiciders live out a dream weekend, or a bucket list vacation, or such?...

Google is such a mess, and I'm too tired, and not even really interested to the level, in spending a long time attempting to search, and sorting through all their 'suicide helpline prevention' default stuff, nor do i want to trigger some data thing.

i've dealt with suicide in family, and have faced a reality of my own where diseased death seemed imminent

so, sorry if I offend anyone as was not the intent


probably been done in a dark comedy before (or even some alfred hitchcock type of similar theme?), or at the very least some comedian has gone through thereabouts as part of a set

have no insight into Japan whatsoever

Marshall Bennett 11-29-2020 07:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dahoss9698 (Post 2679364)
This isn’t accurate. Cases are spiking everywhere because people aren’t wearing masks, aren’t social distancing and carrying on like everything is okay.

Parties, get together, campaign rallies, protests, etc are all things that other countries who have been very successful at containing the virus are not doing.

Distancing, mask, and lockups have all been done before. The problem is, the virus spreads much greater inside than out. Distancing outdoors is pretty damn hard, have you ever tried it walking thru Manhattan? People also tend to forget, they're human after-all. The jury's still out on mask. Many scientist claim they work for some, but on a grand scale they're worthless. By and large they're not worn with consistency, and even when they are, people have the tendency to constantly put their hands on them.
As far as "carrying on", people are at the stage where they'd rather take the minimal risk, than end up a nutcase and perhaps suicidal.

Dahoss9698 11-29-2020 07:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Marshall Bennett (Post 2679415)
Distancing, mask, and lockups have all been done before. The problem is, the virus spreads much greater inside than out. Distancing outdoors is pretty damn hard, have you ever tried it walking thru Manhattan? People also tend to forget, they're human after-all. The jury's still out on mask. Many scientist claim they work for some, but on a grand scale they're worthless. By and large they're not worn with consistency, and even when they are, people have the tendency to constantly put their hands on them.
As far as "carrying on", people are at the stage where they'd rather take the minimal risk, than end up a nutcase and perhaps suicidal.

Right so if it spreads much greater inside than out why are people getting together inside?

Masks aren’t worthless.

Your last sentence says it all. We’re a very selfish society that can’t handle being asked to sacrifice a little for the greater good. Tell the 260,000 people who have died and their families how minimal the risk is.

Science isn’t the enemy. Ignorance is.

tucker6 11-30-2020 06:03 AM

Why can’t the left accept that lockdowns cause more suicides? What is wrong with acknowledging it?

zico20 11-30-2020 01:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dahoss9698 (Post 2679376)
What Democrats said this? Give me actual examples. Also, please provide a link to Biden saying no one would’ve died with a national mask mandate.

Of course Trump himself couldn’t stop it from spreading. But his poor leadership then and now is not helping. Instead of being a strong leader and being honest about the virus, how easily it is spread and how dangerous it could be...he wanted to “be positive”. Instead of embracing wearing a mask he wanted to pander to dumb faux patriots because he knows they eat up his fake tough guy routine.

Trump’s problem is he always thinks he’s the smartest person on every topic and the reality is he never is.

Biden said "if he would have taken this seriously no one would have died." Biden said this in one of the debates with Trump. Many Democrats have come out and said Trump is responsible for over 200,000 deaths. At least no one is going to die after January 20th. I feel so much better now. :jump:

Dahoss9698 11-30-2020 01:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by zico20 (Post 2679579)
Biden said "if he would have taken this seriously no one would have died." Biden said this in one of the debates with Trump. Many Democrats have come out and said Trump is responsible for over 200,000 deaths. At least no one is going to die after January 20th. I feel so much better now. :jump:

Prove it

Marshall Bennett 11-30-2020 01:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by zico20 (Post 2679579)
Biden said "if he would have taken this seriously no one would have died." Biden said this in one of the debates with Trump. Many Democrats have come out and said Trump is responsible for over 200,000 deaths. At least no one is going to die after January 20th. I feel so much better now. :jump:

Trump will still get blamed...for that and anything else that democrats fk up. Isn't that how it works? :)

thaskalos 11-30-2020 01:40 PM

If a person commits suicide because of "domestic violence"...then we are being disingenuous by blaming this on the "lockdowns". These "studies" have to be better controlled if they seek to be taken seriously.

PaceAdvantage 11-30-2020 01:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dahoss9698 (Post 2679364)
other countries who have been very successful at containing the virus are not doing.

What countries might those be? When I reviewed the charts on that famous Johns Hopkins website a week or so ago, I couldn't find any country (worth talking about) that hasn't seen significant spikes in the past couple of months.

PaceAdvantage 11-30-2020 01:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dahoss9698 (Post 2679419)
Right so if it spreads much greater inside than out why are people getting together inside?

Masks aren’t worthless.

Your last sentence says it all. We’re a very selfish society that can’t handle being asked to sacrifice a little for the greater good. Tell the 260,000 people who have died and their families how minimal the risk is.

Science isn’t the enemy. Ignorance is.

It's interesting where the world chooses to take a stand when it comes to people dying.

Big numbers are scary. Especially when taken out of context. Thanks for posting them. I've never seen that number before.

PaceAdvantage 11-30-2020 01:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thaskalos (Post 2679591)
If a person commits suicide because of "domestic violence"...then we are being disingenuous by blaming this on the "lockdowns". These "studies" have to be better controlled if they seek to be taken seriously.

How delicious this post is given the topic.

thaskalos 11-30-2020 01:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PaceAdvantage (Post 2679598)
How delicious this post is given the topic.

Okay...let me address the topic more directly. The Japanese suicide rate is currently reported at 16 per 100,000. The American suicide rate in 2018 -- BEFORE the virus -- was at 14 per 100,000. 2 people per 100,000 is the difference between the Japanese now...and where the Americans were in pre-virus 2018. When analyzing scant differences such as these...we better be as precise as possible in our "studies"...lest we reach totally inaccurate conclusions.

PaceAdvantage 11-30-2020 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by thaskalos (Post 2679601)
Okay...let me address the topic more directly. The Japanese suicide rate is currently reported at 16 per 100,000. The American suicide rate in 2018 -- BEFORE the virus -- was at 14 per 100,000. 2 people per 100,000 is the difference between the Japanese now...and where the Americans were in pre-virus 2018. When analyzing scant differences such as these...we better be as precise as possible in our "studies"...lest we reach totally inaccurate conclusions.

My point was that you were saying the "cause" of these suicides aren't being accurately reflected. You point out that someone killing themselves due to domestic abuse shouldn't necessarily be counted as a COVID-related suicide.

Just like people on here have been saying many COVID deaths are being misrepresented, yet you give that no time of day (that I can remember). That's the "delicious" part.

The hypocrisy makes me smile. Is that wrong?

thaskalos 11-30-2020 02:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PaceAdvantage (Post 2679616)
My point was that you were saying the "cause" of these suicides aren't being accurately reflected. You point out that someone killing themselves due to domestic abuse shouldn't necessarily be counted as a COVID-related suicide.

Just like people on here have been saying many COVID deaths are being misrepresented, yet you give that no time of day (that I can remember). That's the "delicious" part.

The hypocrisy makes me smile. Is that wrong?

Your memory leaves a lot to be desired. In fact...I was the one who initially posted here that George Floyd's death might have been reported as a COVID death. Pick on someone else when you try to make your point about "COVID misrepresented deaths".

PaceAdvantage 11-30-2020 02:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thaskalos (Post 2679627)
Your memory leaves a lot to be desired. In fact...I was the one who initially posted here that George Floyd's death might have been reported as a COVID death. Pick on someone else when you try to make your point about "COVID misrepresented deaths".

Wat? George Floyd?

Talk about a reach.

thaskalos 11-30-2020 02:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PaceAdvantage (Post 2679628)
Wat? George Floyd?

Talk about a reach.

It was a JOKE! Do you remember when you had a sense of humor? But then again...that was when Trump was at his highest...and everything was about "WINNING :ThmbUp:". REMEMBER?

davew 11-30-2020 02:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dahoss9698 (Post 2679376)
What Democrats said this? Give me actual examples. Also, please provide a link to Biden saying no one would’ve died with a national mask mandate.

Of course Trump himself couldn’t stop it from spreading. But his poor leadership then and now is not helping. Instead of being a strong leader and being honest about the virus, how easily it is spread and how dangerous it could be...he wanted to “be positive”. Instead of embracing wearing a mask he wanted to pander to dumb faux patriots because he knows they eat up his fake tough guy routine.

Trump’s problem is he always thinks he’s the smartest person on every topic and the reality is he never is.

Here's Nancy


Dahoss9698 11-30-2020 02:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by davew (Post 2679633)

What does this have to do with my post?

PaceAdvantage 11-30-2020 02:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thaskalos (Post 2679630)
It was a JOKE! Do you remember when you had a sense of humor? But then again...that was when Trump was at his highest...and everything was about "WINNING :ThmbUp:". REMEMBER?

What is with you guys fixating on emotions such as anger and humor and whatever.

Is this supposed to be some sort of insult?

Maybe your delivery needs to be improved. You can't tell when anyone is joking these days.

Saratoga_Mike 11-30-2020 03:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PaceAdvantage (Post 2679592)
What countries might those be? When I reviewed the charts on that famous Johns Hopkins website a week or so ago, I couldn't find any country (worth talking about) that hasn't seen significant spikes in the past couple of months.

South Korea is the model. They've had a robust testing-and-tracing program in place from day 1. It has worked very, very well. They've seen an uptick recently, even so the US infection rate is currently 54x worse than in South Korea. Many EU countries also have radically worse numbers than South Korea. The US per capita cumulative death rate is almost 80x worse than in South Korea.

It's possible (likely?) that Asian cultures are just more compliant in following Covid-prevention protocols, but South Korea still shows what success looks like.

Secretariat 11-30-2020 03:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by classhandicapper (Post 2679321)
The sad part about all the suicides and economic ruin is that all the mask wearing, social distancing, and lockdowns that caused it hasn't stopped the spread of the virus. Cases are starting to spike a little now there also.

All these extreme actions merely delay when it's eventually going to spread.

Without a thorough analysis of the long term economic costs, mental health costs, physical health costs, spousal abuses, suicides, drug/alcohol abuse etc... that comes with extreme lockdowns you can't even be sure if you are doing the right thing.

I'm starting to think the guys that said protect the weak and vulnerable and do mask and limited social distancing had it right. The extreme measures don't stop it and the long term costs of a hard lockdown are huge.

Apparently, England's four week lockdown has helped as as cases have fallen 30% during this time.

https://www.wcvb.com/article/coronav...kdown/34817875

PaceAdvantage 11-30-2020 03:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Saratoga_Mike (Post 2679641)
South Korea is the model. They've had a robust testing-and-tracing program in place from day 1. It has worked very, very well. They've seen an uptick recently, even so the US infection rate is currently 54x worse than in South Korea. Many EU countries also have radically worse numbers than South Korea. The US per capita cumulative death rate is almost 80x worse than in South Korea.

It's possible (likely?) that Asian cultures are just more compliant in following Covid-prevention protocols, but South Korea still shows what success looks like.

The current S. Korea spike is their third spike (including initial spike). It is larger than their second spike...and they practice "zero-tolerance isolation"

davew 11-30-2020 03:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dahoss9698 (Post 2679637)
What does this have to do with my post?

oops wrong one. here is Joe touting masks ... save over 100K deaths




since Joe fractured a bone in his foot kicking his dog, is he on the injured reserve list and Commie running the transition?

summersquall 11-30-2020 03:28 PM

S. Korea's current covid caseload represents a doubling since late August. This is indicative of a situation in which not all spikes are equal as the vast majority of countries have experienced a doubling of caseload occurring within the previous four to six weeks.https://www.worldometers.info/corona...y/south-korea/

Dahoss9698 11-30-2020 03:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by davew (Post 2679645)
oops wrong one. here is Joe touting masks ... save over 100K deaths

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uo9LtVl_GQ4



since Joe fractured a bone in his foot kicking his dog, is he on the injured reserve list and Commie running the transition?

You’re not very good at this. What did he say that was incorrect? He didn’t say no one would have died as Zico said.

3rd time the charm maybe?

PaceAdvantage 11-30-2020 04:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by summersquall (Post 2679653)
S. Korea's current covid caseload represents a doubling since late August. This is indicative of a situation in which not all spikes are equal as the vast majority of countries have experienced a doubling of caseload occurring within the previous four to six weeks.https://www.worldometers.info/corona...y/south-korea/

Did anyone say it was equal?

The point of all of this is that all countries (from what I have seen) are dealing with a RISING TRENDLINE...not a declining trendline.

No matter who their leader is...or what political party they belong to.

No matter how hard they locked down...or didn't lock down.

No matter how many people wore masks...or didn't wear masks.

etc.

davew 11-30-2020 04:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dahoss9698 (Post 2679655)
You’re not very good at this. What did he say that was incorrect? He didn’t say no one would have died as Zico said.

3rd time the charm maybe?

Joe implied that 200K deaths are all Trump's fault, so none if it was his - so there is that. You don't follow dim logic very well.

summersquall 11-30-2020 04:34 PM

Staying on point with the situation in S. Korea, how to account for the fact that not all spikes are equal and that their reported case increase lags far behind virtually every other country?

Dahoss9698 11-30-2020 04:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by davew (Post 2679673)
Joe implied that 200K deaths are all Trump's fault, so none if it was his - so there is that. You don't follow dim logic very well.

Except he didn’t do that.

Keep trying

Dahoss9698 11-30-2020 04:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PaceAdvantage (Post 2679671)
Did anyone say it was equal?

The point of all of this is that all countries (from what I have seen) are dealing with a RISING TRENDLINE...not a declining trendline.

No matter who their leader is...or what political party they belong to.

No matter how hard they locked down...or didn't lock down.

No matter how many people wore masks...or didn't wear masks.

etc.

The cuck is strong in this one

zico20 11-30-2020 07:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dahoss9698 (Post 2679584)
Prove it

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news...e-died-if-tru/

Okay, it was at a town hall Biden did, my bad!


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