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thetripleclowns 12-12-2020 05:31 PM

12 Match Races of Christmas
 
The Triple Clowns are doing a 12 Match Races of Christmas special, and each day we bring on a guest to debate one of us on a match races. The 1st day of Christmas we bring you Ryan Dickey to debate Silver Charm vs Winning Colors.

Check and it out. Who do you think would win this race 1 1/4m dirt perfect conditions.


thetripleclowns 12-13-2020 04:28 PM

2nd Day of Christmas
 
On the 2nd day of Christmas, The Triple Clowns bring to you, Joe Moran, to discuss who is the best horse between Arrogate and Frankel. Joe coming in hot to debate Frankel over Arrogate. Check out the full episode out on YouTube, iTunes, and Spotify.


BarchCapper 12-13-2020 08:12 PM

:rant:
Scrooge-y factual comment: The twelve days of Christmas start on either Christmas Day or the 26th and run through January 5th or 6th (Epiphany).

:popcorn:
Non-Scrooge-y comment: Creative idea for a quiet racing period. May you have many listens.

thetripleclowns 12-14-2020 05:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BarchCapper (Post 2684540)
:rant:
Scrooge-y factual comment: The twelve days of Christmas start on either Christmas Day or the 26th and run through January 5th or 6th (Epiphany).

:popcorn:
Non-Scrooge-y comment: Creative idea for a quiet racing period. May you have many listens.

Yes we know that the 12 days start the 25th. We wanted to play off of the 12 days of Christmas theme and put out our special prior to Christmas. I hope you enjoy, we have a lot of great match races coming up. Thank you for your support. I hope you have a wonderful holidays!

-Sara

thetripleclowns 12-14-2020 05:16 PM

3rd Day of Christmas
 
On the 3rd day of Christmas The Triple Clowns bring to you, BlackJack Fletcher, to debate a match race between American Pharoah vs. Justify

Let us know who you think is the better horse.



mountainman 12-14-2020 05:20 PM

Hey, Sara: How about a round of "GOAT" matches? Just give me Dr Fager vs anybody.

teach21 12-14-2020 06:40 PM

no more mountainman?
 
mark, we'll miss you. hope it isnt for good.

taxicab 12-14-2020 08:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thetripleclowns (Post 2684751)
On the 3rd day of Christmas The Triple Clowns bring to you, BlackJack Fletcher, to debate a match race between American Pharoah vs. Justify

Let us know who you think is the better horse.


https://youtu.be/r6Iaj8EudQk

American Pharoah.
He made everything look easy.
So far......best horse of the 21st Century.

taxicab 12-14-2020 08:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mountainman (Post 2684753)
Hey, Sara: How about a round of "GOAT" matches? Just give me Dr Fager vs anybody.

Best horse to run in the 1960's.
Thinking his old rival Buckpasser would be the other one in that decade.
From the same era.....here's the horse that the Dr. reminded me of.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brigadier_Gerard_(horse)

mountainman 12-14-2020 09:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by teach21 (Post 2684777)
mark, we'll miss you. hope it isnt for good.

my son has covid. i'm in quarantine. tx, for the thought.

BombsAway Bob 12-15-2020 08:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mountainman (Post 2684829)
my son has covid. i'm in quarantine. tx, for the thought.

Wishing positive vibes & a speedy recovery for your son.
Didn't want to text you last night, knew something big had
to have happened for you to bow out of the closing weeks.
Be well Mark.

thetripleclowns 12-15-2020 03:07 PM

4th day of Christmas
 
On the 4th day of Christmas, The Triple Clowns bring to you, TVG's Candice Hare to debate who is a better horse between Winx and Black Caviar.

Who do you think is the better horse?


thetripleclowns 12-16-2020 02:26 PM

5th Day of Christmas
 
On the 5th day of Christmas The Triple Clowns bring to you, Nick "Sarge" Hines, to debate a match race between Skip Away vs. Gun Runner.

Who do you think would win this match race?


jay68802 12-16-2020 07:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mountainman (Post 2684753)
Hey, Sara: How about a round of "GOAT" matches? Just give me Dr Fager vs anybody.

First take care of yourself and familly.

Second, Dr. Fager vs Ruffian.

the little guy 12-16-2020 10:23 PM

Skip Away would have crushed Gun Runner.

Ray Donovon 12-17-2020 03:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by the little guy (Post 2685352)
Skip Away would have crushed Gun Runner.

No doubt about it.

thetripleclowns 12-17-2020 02:11 PM

6th Day of Christmas
 
On the 6th day of Christmas The Triple Clowns bring to you, TVG's Matt Carothers, to debate a match race between John Henry vs. Affirmed.

Who do you think would win this race?


mountainman 12-17-2020 05:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jay68802 (Post 2685330)
First take care of yourself and familly.

Second, Dr. Fager vs Ruffian.

Done and done, sir. Just taped said debate with the clowns. Feel great, shane improving fast.

lamboguy 12-17-2020 05:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mountainman (Post 2685618)
Done and done, sir. Just taped said debate with the clowns. Feel great, shane improving fast.

that's great news about your son. Merry Christmas to you and your family.

Nitro 12-17-2020 06:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jay68802 (Post 2685330)
First take care of yourself and familly.

Second, Dr. Fager vs Ruffian.

Come on Jay! Are you kidding me?
Ruffian couldn't beat Foolish Pleasure.
Dr Fager would annihilate them both carrying 2 jockeys!:D

the little guy 12-17-2020 07:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nitro (Post 2685633)
Come on Jay! Are you kidding me?
Ruffian couldn't beat Foolish Pleasure.
Dr Fager would annihilate them both carrying 2 jockeys!:D

<Sigh>

mountainman 12-17-2020 08:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lamboguy (Post 2685626)
that's great news about your son. Merry Christmas to you and your family.

tx, Phil. MERRY XMAS!!

thetripleclowns 12-18-2020 02:39 PM

7th Day of Christmas
 
On the 7th day of Christmas The Triple Clowns bring to you, Ed DeRosa, to debate a match race between Seabiscuit vs. Cigar.

Who do you think would win this race?





thetripleclowns 12-19-2020 04:59 PM

8th Day of Christmas
 
On the 8th day of Christmas, The Triple Clowns bring to you, Horse Racing Nation's Chip Gehrke, to debate the match race that never was...Rachel Alexandra vs. Zenyatta...


Who do you think would win this match race?



devilsbag 12-20-2020 12:23 AM

Kelso vs. Forego
Native Dancer vs. Spectacular Bid
Dr. Fager vs. Seattle Slew

thetripleclowns 12-20-2020 02:09 PM

9th Day of Christmas
 
On the 9th day of Christmas, The Triple Clowns bring to you, the King of
the Mountain, Mark Patterson to take on AJ in a debate on a match race between Dr. Fager vs. Ruffian!

Who do you think would win this match race?


mountainman 12-20-2020 03:15 PM

Big fun. And I DID try conforming to the rules and format. The operative word is "try."

Robert Fischer 12-21-2020 10:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mountainman (Post 2686510)
Big fun. And I DID try conforming to the rules and format. The operative word is "try."

These are fun.

Hope you are and yours are doing well Mark. Hadn't heard about the covid related issue you are dealing with. :ThmbUp:



been a bit cold here in mid-atlantic, and racing slows down (for me at least :) ) during the holidays, but these are some of my fav horses, and some good guests.

mountainman 12-21-2020 12:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Robert Fischer (Post 2686769)
These are fun.

Hope you are and yours are doing well Mark. Hadn't heard about the covid related issue you are dealing with. :ThmbUp:



been a bit cold here in mid-atlantic, and racing slows down (for me at least :) ) during the holidays, but these are some of my fav horses, and some good guests.

Hi Jason. Always a blast with the clowns. But I'm still not sure if we bring out the best, or worst in one another.

My 26 year old, Shane, lives at home and contracted the virus about three weeks ago. He is now symptom free and has rejoined society, but protocol requires me to quarantine for 14 days from the date of his test results, which came back last monday.

I just tested negative, as did his mother, an RN at a local med center. Since there are, however, some 30 covid cases on her floor, only the vaccine can nullify the danger for me.

My pride in Shane's selfless and dignified handling of the virus-without complaint, he suffered headaches, some nausea, and a complete loss of energy for days-comes also with the realization that the hint of autism contained in his makeup confer a strength and stoicism few "normal" people might possess.

Stay safe, Jason. And many thanks for your kind concern.

thetripleclowns 12-21-2020 04:42 PM

10th Day of Christmas
 
On the 10th day of Christmas The Triple Clowns bring to you, Tom of Tom and Tom Racing, to debate a triple threat race between Smarty Jones, Funny Cide, and War Emblem.

Who do you think would win this triple threat race?


mostpost 12-22-2020 04:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mountainman (Post 2686510)
Big fun. And I DID try conforming to the rules and format. The operative word is "try."

So, Mountainman, you made some good points in defense of Dr.Fager. But you left out a lot of context. For instance his 43 and 4 half in the Vosburgh; began with a three furlong straight away out of the Acqueduct chute. Dr. Fager’s 44 second opening half in his world record setting mile at Arlington benefitted from that tracks mile straight. Then there was the Withers stakes, again at Aqueduct with a straight half mile run from the starting gate to the far turn, and on that date at least, a strong tail win. Might have helped the 44 and 1 half mile time. Same might be said of his 44 and 4 time in the Champagne.

Ruffian on the other hand ran her sub 45 second half miles at least half around a turn.

As to your claim Ruffian never beat anybody, not completely true.
Hot and Nasty won the Hollywood Lassie, the Arlington Washington Lassie and the Test Stakes and finished second in the Signature Stakes,
Laughing Bridge won the Schuyerville and Adirondack Stakes at Saratoga and was second in the Spinaway.
Aunt Jin won the Grade 3 Signature and Mermaid Stakes and the Grade One Selina Stakes and Monmouth Oaks. She also won the non graded Cherry Hill Oaks. Besides her second to Ruffian, she was second to Susan’s Girl in the Grade 1 Matchmaker and Second in the Grade one Alabama.

I take a back seat to no one in my admiration for Dr. Fager, but I think Ruffian could have beaten him.

Nitro 12-22-2020 05:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mostpost (Post 2687150)
So, Mountainman, you made some good points in defense of Dr.Fager. But you left out a lot of context. For instance his 43 and 4 half in the Vosburgh; began with a three furlong straight away out of the Acqueduct chute. Dr. Fager’s 44 second opening half in his world record setting mile at Arlington benefitted from that tracks mile straight. Then there was the Withers stakes, again at Aqueduct with a straight half mile run from the starting gate to the far turn, and on that date at least, a strong tail win. Might have helped the 44 and 1 half mile time. Same might be said of his 44 and 4 time in the Champagne.

Ruffian on the other hand ran her sub 45 second half miles at least half around a turn.

As to your claim Ruffian never beat anybody, not completely true.
Hot and Nasty won the Hollywood Lassie, the Arlington Washington Lassie and the Test Stakes and finished second in the Signature Stakes,
Laughing Bridge won the Schuyerville and Adirondack Stakes at Saratoga and was second in the Spinaway.
Aunt Jin won the Grade 3 Signature and Mermaid Stakes and the Grade One Selina Stakes and Monmouth Oaks. She also won the non graded Cherry Hill Oaks. Besides her second to Ruffian, she was second to Susan’s Girl in the Grade 1 Matchmaker and Second in the Grade one Alabama.

I take a back seat to no one in my admiration for Dr. Fager, but I think Ruffian could have beaten him.

During Ruffian's limited racing career the only way it was able to win and beat her competition was to be in front by the ½ mile and without any pressure.

Foolish Pleasure took it to her by pressing early and taking the lead at the ½ mile. BTW it was that intense pressure that caused Ruffian’s fatality.

As I mentioned Dr. Fager would easily beat either one of them even carrying weight, but at even weights – forget about it.
In your admiration of DR. Fager think you should take a closer look at not only the incredible early fractions but the splits for the entire race!

thetripleclowns 12-22-2020 06:01 PM

11th Day of Christmas
 
On the 11th day of Christmas The Triple Clowns bring to you, Craig Milkowski, to debate a match race between California Chrome vs Tiznow

Who do you think would win this race?


castaway01 12-22-2020 06:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nitro (Post 2687186)
During Ruffian's limited racing career the only way it was able to win and beat her competition was to be in front by the ½ mile and without any pressure.

Foolish Pleasure took it to her by pressing early and taking the lead at the ½ mile. BTW it was that intense pressure that caused Ruffian’s fatality.

As I mentioned Dr. Fager would easily beat either one of them even carrying weight, but at even weights – forget about it.
In your admiration of DR. Fager think you should take a closer look at not only the incredible early fractions but the splits for the entire race!

Nitro, reading one of your bullshit posts never fails to make me want to bash my head into a wall. At least you're good at something.

cj 12-22-2020 06:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thetripleclowns (Post 2687197)
On the 11th day of Christmas The Triple Clowns bring to you, Craig Milkowski, to debate a match race between California Chrome vs Tiznow

Who do you think would win this race?

https://youtu.be/s633ZSdtDwE

This was tough for me, two horses I really like a lot.

Nitro 12-22-2020 08:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by castaway01 (Post 2687207)
Nitro, reading one of your bullshit posts never fails to make me want to bash my head into a wall. At least you're good at something.

Well maybe I should write a few more because apparently it’s the only way it’s going to knock some real sense into that uninspiring brain of yours!

BTW if you have anything factual that contradicts my comments why not be a man and stand behind your convictions?
Your personal insinuations are childish at best!

Besides, you know dam well you couldn't recognize anything "good" unless it bit you in the face.

mostpost 12-22-2020 08:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nitro (Post 2687186)
During Ruffian's limited racing career the only way it was able to win and beat her competition was to be in front by the ½ mile and without any pressure.

Foolish Pleasure took it to her by pressing early and taking the lead at the ½ mile. BTW it was that intense pressure that caused Ruffian’s fatality.

As I mentioned Dr. Fager would easily beat either one of them even carrying weight, but at even weights – forget about it.
In your admiration of DR. Fager think you should take a closer look at not only the incredible early fractions but the splits for the entire race!

In order to pressure Ruffian, a horse would have to run as fast as her. Clearly none of them could. It wasn’t that was the only way she could beat them, it was the only way she had to.

mountainman 12-22-2020 09:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mostpost (Post 2687150)
So, Mountainman, you made some good points in defense of Dr.Fager. But you left out a lot of context.

That context is my opponent's job to point out, sir.

mountainman 12-22-2020 09:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mostpost (Post 2687150)

As to your claim Ruffian never beat anybody, not completely true.
Hot and Nasty won the Hollywood Lassie, the Arlington Washington Lassie and the Test Stakes and finished second in the Signature Stakes,
Laughing Bridge won the Schuyerville and Adirondack Stakes at Saratoga and was second in the Spinaway.
Aunt Jin won the Grade 3 Signature and Mermaid Stakes and the Grade One Selina Stakes and Monmouth Oaks. She also won the non graded Cherry Hill Oaks. Besides her second to Ruffian, she was second to Susan’s Girl in the Grade 1 Matchmaker and Second in the Grade one Alabama.

I'm honored that you took the time to watch, Most. Great work digging that up. But not exactly household names, sir. Of course, that's partially due to the suffocating presence of Ruffian.

When I challenged my opponent to close his workbook and name just ONE horse she beat, my debate was won.

For the record, my admiration for the filly has no bounds, and I had little taste for putting negative spin on her achievements.

You might be interested to know that without hesitation I would take Hoist the Flag to outrun her. Now THAT (arcane) debate would interest ONLY the true believers. But it would match similar legacies. Not apples and oranges.

P Matties Jr 12-22-2020 10:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by the little guy (Post 2685352)
Skip Away would have crushed Gun Runner.

Nobody would've "crushed" Gun Runner when he was 4 or 5.


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