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BIG RED 04-17-2020 06:40 PM

I would love to see the ruling, in court, on this. Then they would re-word the rules of wagers, and have it in 'ink'. I'm stuck

When I first read the article, I went with the track. To me it is technically two different wagers.

Then I seen Jays post of rules stating they will pay the jackpot if there is only one ticket. Hence, there is only one. How rare is it that one person has the only dead heat ticket in a jackpot poll? I understand what CJ said about DHs, but this is rare and probably why it wasn't thought out and put in ink.

But I say now....PAY THE MAN!

cj 04-17-2020 06:46 PM


cj 04-17-2020 06:49 PM

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Originally Posted by BIG RED (Post 2588811)
I would love to see the ruling, in court, on this. Then they would re-word the rules of wagers, and have it in 'ink'. I'm stuck

When I first read the article, I went with the track. To me it is technically two different wagers.

Then I seen Jays post of rules stating they will pay the jackpot if there is only one ticket. Hence, there is only one. How rare is it that one person has the only dead heat ticket in a jackpot poll? I understand what CJ said about DHs, but this is rare and probably why it wasn't thought out and put in ink.

But I say now....PAY THE MAN!

I guess we define rare differently. Dead heats happen often enough, should have been foreseeable. I would say a triple dead heat is rare. If something is foreseeable it should have been thought through and included in the rules.

dilanesp 04-17-2020 07:07 PM

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Originally Posted by cj (Post 2588824)

Ruh roh. Someone is in deep doo doo....

cj 04-17-2020 07:23 PM

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Originally Posted by dilanesp (Post 2588849)
Ruh roh. Someone is in deep doo doo....

Could have been worse, it was up for grabs last night!

thaskalos 04-17-2020 07:28 PM


jay68802 04-18-2020 12:57 PM

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Originally Posted by cj (Post 2588857)
Could have been worse, it was up for grabs last night!

Yeah, I would think the track is on the hook if the bet was hit twice. Glad to see that they did this. To me, it means that they are taking a second look at things and have been advised that they may be wrong on their decision not to pay this guy.

JohnGalt1 04-18-2020 02:30 PM

So if he had only one of horses, and not both, he would've taken the whole pool.

castaway01 04-18-2020 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by JohnGalt1 (Post 2589271)
So if he had only one of horses, and not both, he would've taken the whole pool.

Yes

Red Knave 04-18-2020 04:40 PM

Do we know what would have happened if 2 different ticket holders each had a different one of the dead-heated pair and all the rest of the winners? Would they then each get half since they would each have had the only ticket with that sequence?
Inquiring minds want to stir the pot. :confused: :)

Jeff P 04-18-2020 06:28 PM

I think under that scenario there would be two winning ticket holders and two winning tickets, and therefore: no single jackpot winner.


Btw, I'm very strongly in the "pay that man his money" camp.

If the image I saw is accurate: He's in possession of a single printed "ticket."


-jp

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alhattab 04-19-2020 09:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Jeff P (Post 2589531)
I think under that scenario there would be two winning ticket holders and two winning tickets, and therefore: no single jackpot winner.


Btw, I'm very strongly in the "pay that man his money" camp.

If the image I saw is accurate: He's in possession of a single printed "ticket."


-jp

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Would you feel differently if the same player made the exact same play, but on two "tickets". One ticket has the one DH winner, and the other has the other DH winner? I always thought each play i.e., each combination represented 1 "ticket". Not sure if this still happens but I recall making horizontal bets and the printed ticket would actually say "x" tickets representing the # of individual combos. Another way to think about this would be if he hit 5/6 with the losing race being the DH race. If it paid 5/6 he would get paid 2x, so my view is there are 2 winning tix.

Muddy 04-19-2020 09:29 AM

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Originally Posted by cj (Post 2588857)
Could have been worse, it was up for grabs last night!

It was canceled last night also.

10 race payouts
$2 DOUBLE 5/7 $45.00
$2 EXACTA 7/8 $42.60
$0.50 PICK-3 9/5/7 $24.30
$0.50 PICK-4 8/9/5/7 $372.35
PICK-6 Refunded $0.00
$0.10 SUPERFECTA 7/8/11/1 $131.49
$0.50 TRIFECTA 7/8/11 $90.80

cj 04-19-2020 12:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Muddy (Post 2589744)
It was canceled last night also.

10 race payouts
$2 DOUBLE 5/7 $45.00
$2 EXACTA 7/8 $42.60
$0.50 PICK-3 9/5/7 $24.30
$0.50 PICK-4 8/9/5/7 $372.35
PICK-6 Refunded $0.00
$0.10 SUPERFECTA 7/8/11/1 $131.49
$0.50 TRIFECTA 7/8/11 $90.80

It is canceled until further notice.

JerryBoyle 04-19-2020 03:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Red Knave (Post 2589424)
Do we know what would have happened if 2 different ticket holders each had a different one of the dead-heated pair and all the rest of the winners? Would they then each get half since they would each have had the only ticket with that sequence?
Inquiring minds want to stir the pot. :confused: :)

Ahhh, that is an interesting wrinkle. I was in the pay him camp, but now idk. Seems like first we have to define what a single ticket holder is. To me, one ticket is one single combination. This is more robust and less arbitrary to me than "anything that was on a single ticket, combinations included", which lends itself to different payouts based on how you may have structured.

If the single combination definition is used, 2 combinations hit so no jackpot :(. To me, that's the logical answer, but it's definitely a horrible look for racing...


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