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Hedevar 09-10-2021 08:50 PM

The chickens come home to roost.

Andy Asaro 09-10-2021 09:00 PM


Hedevar 09-10-2021 09:09 PM

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Originally Posted by dilanesp (Post 2753198)
In a sense, this is Baffert's legal strategy backfiring. He had one correct argument, but it was entirely procedural- NYRA, which for some reason has constantly denied it is part of the government for decades and repeatedly had its butt beaten in court on that issue, is in fact part of the government and has to obey due process.

So NYRA has now called Baffert's bluff and said "OK, you want us to lay out formal charges, here you go". And the result of this is not just a suspension proceeding, but basically a press release trashing Baffert. Here's your due process, big boy!

Its about time somebody in NY woke up.

dilanesp 09-10-2021 09:14 PM

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Originally Posted by AndyC (Post 2753203)
Let's talk real world. Does CD want to spend substantial money trying to show that "legally it doesn't matter"? There would be a 100% chance that a lawsuit would have resulted if CD had waited until next spring to make retroactive rules. Actions taken next spring would be seen as punishment of the owners as well as the intended target. Now there is a very clear path for the owners to take.

They will still get sued.

The issue is NOT "getting sued". Rich people who don't get what they want always sue.

AndyC 09-10-2021 09:51 PM

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Originally Posted by dilanesp (Post 2753221)
They will still get sued.

The issue is NOT "getting sued". Rich people who don't get what they want always sue.


They would sue because they couldn't use a banned trainer?

dilanesp 09-10-2021 09:57 PM

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Originally Posted by AndyC (Post 2753230)
They would sue because they couldn't use a banned trainer?

Or Baffert will sue. Or both.

Churchill expects lawsuits. The thing is, they are right. They owe zero obligation to let a guy who cheated in their race compete in it. And they will win.

The_Turf_Monster 09-10-2021 10:53 PM

Letís make no mistake whatís going on here, and itís about time some state does itÖÖand thereís only one that could. Kentucky with its problem child on the west coast is getting put in its place by New York.

dilanesp 09-10-2021 11:19 PM

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Originally Posted by The_Turf_Monster (Post 2753245)
Letís make no mistake whatís going on here, and itís about time some state does itÖÖand thereís only one that could. Kentucky with its problem child on the west coast is getting put in its place by New York.

Re: the west coast.

We can't fill fields, run less and less racedays, and Baffert sometimes runs 2 or 3 horses in our big stakes. That made him untouchable.

California regulators are truly scared of a big suspension coming out of Kentucky. Because they would have to abide by it under reciprocity, and that would leave our racing completely decimated.

But the reckoning is coming, one way or another.

The_Turf_Monster 09-10-2021 11:43 PM

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Originally Posted by dilanesp (Post 2753250)
Re: the west coast.

We can't fill fields, run less and less racedays, and Baffert sometimes runs 2 or 3 horses in our big stakes. That made him untouchable.

California regulators are truly scared of a big suspension coming out of Kentucky. Because they would have to abide by it under reciprocity, and that would leave our racing completely decimated.

But the reckoning is coming, one way or another.

He and his owners can be as untouchable as they want in California in my opinion, but this goes beyond that

This is a straight shot across the bow of the KD and Breeders cup

SandyW 09-10-2021 11:53 PM

I can't believe the hate that I read in this thread, what has happened to the people in this country?

ReplayRandall 09-11-2021 12:01 AM

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Originally Posted by SandyW (Post 2753255)
I can't believe the hate that I read in this thread, what has happened to the people in this country?

What specifically bothers you?

SandyW 09-11-2021 12:38 AM

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Originally Posted by ReplayRandall (Post 2753258)
What specifically bothers you?

The outright rooting for the downfall of other human beings, not very God like.

PaceAdvantage 09-11-2021 12:53 AM

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Originally Posted by SandyW (Post 2753260)
The outright rooting for the downfall of other human beings, not very God like.

He caused his own downfall.

Nobody had to root for it.

Are you endorsing cheaters?

Is cheating God-like?

dilanesp 09-11-2021 01:57 AM

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Originally Posted by SandyW (Post 2753260)
The outright rooting for the downfall of other human beings, not very God like.

His downfall? Don't be ridiculous. He has more money than God and nobody is proposing taking it away from him.

We are rooting for the sport to be cleaned up.

SandyW 09-11-2021 05:19 AM

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Originally Posted by dilanesp (Post 2753262)
His downfall? Don't be ridiculous. He has more money than God and nobody is proposing taking it away from him.

We are rooting for the sport to be cleaned up.

If this sport was completely cleaned up you would not have enough horses to fill one race card a week at any racetrack.

There have been problems with horse racing as far back as anybody reading these posts can remember.

Wherever their is money involved problems will exist. The lords of racing are always going after somebody.


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