| MONEY |
07-01-2014 12:13 PM |
1920 Days off Between Races
I just saw this.
Today 07/01/14
Tampa R1. #1, ML 3/1, has 1920 days off since last race.
That's 5 years and 3 months.
The horse "Coastal Empire" is 11 years old.
Whatever happens in this race, I think it's wrong to bring
a horse back to racing after that much time off.
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| LottaKash |
07-01-2014 12:39 PM |
Quote:
Originally Posted by MONEY
I just saw this.
Today 07/01/14
Tampa R1. #1, ML 3/1, has 1920 days off since last race.
That's 5 years and 3 months.
The horse "Coastal Empire" is 11 years old.
Whatever happens in this race, I think it's wrong to bring
a horse back to racing after that much time off.
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Why would you think that wrong ?...Just curious is all...
From my own opinion tho, some horses love to race, regardless of age... They were born and bred to do it...:jump:
Harness horses "must" retire when they are 14....There were many harness horses that were still winning races when they were forced to retire... |
| MONEY |
07-01-2014 12:54 PM |
I think that it's wrong because of the five years off.
Had the horse been running a few races a year, I would have no problem
with his age.
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| MONEY |
07-01-2014 01:12 PM |
Finished last of 7 in a $5,000 1y.
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| Tor Ekman |
07-01-2014 01:22 PM |
But I'm guessing he had fun romping around the track . . . kinda like when the White Sox brought Minnie Miņoso back for one last game at age 54
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| PressThePace |
07-01-2014 01:28 PM |
Quote:
Originally Posted by MONEY
I think that it's wrong because of the five years off.
Had the horse been running a few races a year, I would have no problem
with his age.
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I have the same opinion...what does the horse have to prove at eleven years of age and over 5 years on the sidelines? It would be different if the horse was still producing, but that's obviously not the case. |
| whodoyoulike |
07-01-2014 01:58 PM |
And, about $5,500 was bet in W P S of the total $44,000 (12.5%). Final odds were about (5-1) M/L was (3-1), I guess $5,500 doesn't mean much.
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11 years old is not old for a horse, depending on how he has lived them. I think the Planet of the Apes mentality that "horses are a commodity" attitude so prevalent today lends itself to burning horses out mentally and physically by the relatively tender age of 3,4, or 5. If conditional racing and drug laws (and enforcement!) were applied with a horse first mindset, there would be built-in incentive to care for horses in such a way as to optimize elongated equine careers, rather than the "most we can get as fast as we can get it" business model.
When I first began studying to become a trainer I was immediately hit with a barrage of advice, headlined by Rule #1; DO NOT FALL IN LOVE WITH YOUR HORSE. In other words, horses are nothing but inventory to turn over. Get whatever you can out of them as quickly as you can, then get some more to ruin. The result of that system is a steady stream of trailer traffic to the killers in Canada and Mexico.
That is why I propose multi-tiered Triple Crown series and trainer barn size limits, among other things, to help change the mindset from people with horses to a horse first attitude.
I have a 26 year old mare who still runs and plays daily just like the youngsters. She once worked as the lead horse for my pack string in the mountains.
Take care of your horse and your horse will take care of you.
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| LottaKash |
07-01-2014 04:03 PM |
Quote:
Originally Posted by MONEY
Finished last of 7 in a $5,000 1y.
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In all fairness to the truth, do you honestly believe that he was supposed to win right out of the box after that long hiatus from racing ?...
Even a Lance Armstrong type wouldn't be expected to win either in a similar comeback....
To be fair to the truth, I would say one would have to watch a few races before any fair conclusions could be drawn about the comeback....
As long as the horse in not lame or being abused, what is the harm ?... |
| therussmeister |
07-01-2014 05:20 PM |
Quote:
Originally Posted by MONEY
Finished last of 7 in a $5,000 1y.
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He needs to find a race for non-winners of one in the last 5 years. |
| nijinski |
07-01-2014 07:33 PM |
He needs a new career , so did this gelding .
Stormy Surge (LA)
DK B/, G, foaled May 2, 2003
( Stormy Atlantic - Miss Fabulous, by Pentelicus)
Unfortunately
he broke down during training in January .
Let's be real, there is no comparing standardbreds and
thoroughbreds .
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| Longshot6977 |
07-01-2014 08:09 PM |
Quote:
Originally Posted by LottaKash
Harness horses "must" retire when they are 14....There were many harness horses that were still winning races when they were forced to retire...
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Is this true? I never heard of the age limit to retire. Ya learn something new every day.
By the way, is there a T-bred age limit? |
| JackS |
07-01-2014 08:51 PM |
Of course you could look at like this- The horses feeding and vet bills are probably the same as the 4-5yo in the next stall. Horses like people have to earn their way through this world. If the owner is an unknown, the horse maybe someones pet and an automatic toss. If the horse has been entered by a respected trainer he may deserve a bet although not at 3 or 5-1.
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| Knowclew |
07-01-2014 09:12 PM |
Quote:
Originally Posted by Longshot6977
Is this true? I never heard of the age limit to retire. Ya learn something new every day.
By the way, is there a T-bred age limit?
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Yes, in the US it is 13. |
| chadk66 |
07-01-2014 10:39 PM |
Quote:
Originally Posted by Appy
11 years old is not old for a horse, depending on how he has lived them. I think the Planet of the Apes mentality that "horses are a commodity" attitude so prevalent today lends itself to burning horses out mentally and physically by the relatively tender age of 3,4, or 5. If conditional racing and drug laws (and enforcement!) were applied with a horse first mindset, there would be built-in incentive to care for horses in such a way as to optimize elongated equine careers, rather than the "most we can get as fast as we can get it" business model.
When I first began studying to become a trainer I was immediately hit with a barrage of advice, headlined by Rule #1; DO NOT FALL IN LOVE WITH YOUR HORSE. In other words, horses are nothing but inventory to turn over. Get whatever you can out of them as quickly as you can, then get some more to ruin. The result of that system is a steady stream of trailer traffic to the killers in Canada and Mexico.
That is why I propose multi-tiered Triple Crown series and trainer barn size limits, among other things, to help change the mindset from people with horses to a horse first attitude.
I have a 26 year old mare who still runs and plays daily just like the youngsters. She once worked as the lead horse for my pack string in the mountains.
Take care of your horse and your horse will take care of you.
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there is a ton of truth in what you just posted. |
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