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thaskalos 06-12-2021 06:49 PM

Another Maddux moment...
 
Maddux was recently on ESPN for a long interview, with, I believe, Rich Eisen. At the very end of the interview, Eisen asked him something like:

"What should people know about you that they don't know already?"

And Maddux responded with:

"Only two things really mattered to me on the field; my preparation...and doing my best. As long as I knew that I prepared as well as I could, and that I gave it my best on the field...then the outcome of the game didn't really matter to me."

A great answer, I thought...and an even better piece of advice for the serious horseplayer. :ThmbUp:

JustRalph 06-12-2021 07:45 PM

As my dad was in his last months we were able watch the Randy Johnson-Curt Schilling Diamondbacks World Series, every moment. Dad loved Johnson. I cannot think of either those guys without smiling for just a second………it brings back a great feeling

Johnny V 06-12-2021 10:12 PM

Maddux was some kind of pitcher. He was a quick worker on the mound and was a consummate professional. A class act. Maddux once pitched a complete game and threw only 76 pitches.

Marshall Bennett 06-13-2021 07:31 AM

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Originally Posted by thaskalos (Post 2730828)

Maddux: "Well...let me put it this way. If you asked the 10 best hitters in baseball whom they'd rather face, me or Randy Johnson...I bet that I'd get all 10 votes".

Johnson was probably the most intimidating figure that ever took the mound. Tall (6'10"), long and lanky, and a delivery way off center with excellent heat. His size and arm length had him appear a lot closer to the hitter at his release point. J.R. Richard was another, only from the right side.
Maddux was a master of control. Hitters felt more secure digging in. Though their success rate against him were poor overall, few would rather face Johnson, imo.

Rex Phinney 06-14-2021 01:26 PM

Randy Johnson was surely one of kind. He wasn't trying to get guys out by finding their weakness but rather his strength. He was going to do his thing and it was probably going to be more than you could handle.

newtothegame 06-14-2021 06:36 PM

Hell, birds at the stadium were even afraid when the BIG UNIT took the mound!!

cj 06-15-2021 12:01 AM

deGrom has pitched 64 innings and given up 4 earned runs, down to a 0.56 ERA. In just 25 bats, his 5 RBIs tops that number..

Valuist 06-15-2021 08:53 AM

MLB has a huge problem. Lots of fingers to be pointed; analytics, which has deified pitch velocity, which has led to more strikeouts, walks, foul balls and home runs. Home runs and no hitters have become devalued. An entire generation of young players grew up not learning to hit properly. Too many softball type hitters, swinging from their heels every pitch; half the field open but they are incapable of going to the opposite field. No shame in striking out; "it's no different from any other out", which is nonsense because it IS different. Unless its a dropped third strike, nobody ever advanced on a strikeout, unless they chose to steal. Strikeouts also pile up pitch counts.

It's becoming glorified wall ball. Have a hitter, a pitcher, and no fielders needed. An algorithm can determine batted ball outcomes.

Robert Fischer 06-15-2021 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Valuist (Post 2731352)
MLB has a huge problem. Lots of fingers to be pointed; analytics, which has deified pitch velocity, which has led to more strikeouts, walks, foul balls and home runs. Home runs and no hitters have become devalued. An entire generation of young players grew up not learning to hit properly. Too many softball type hitters, swinging from their heels every pitch; half the field open but they are incapable of going to the opposite field. No shame in striking out; "it's no different from any other out", which is nonsense because it IS different. Unless its a dropped third strike, nobody ever advanced on a strikeout, unless they chose to steal. Strikeouts also pile up pitch counts.

It's becoming glorified wall ball. Have a hitter, a pitcher, and no fielders needed. An algorithm can determine batted ball outcomes.

:ThmbUp:


It's strange how today's technology, PEDs, and evolution, has seemingly made the MLB and NBA worse, rather than better.

What are the solutions?
Have we outgrown the dimensions of play?
Should we deaden or change the ball?

Robert Fischer 06-15-2021 10:21 AM

I'm not suggesting this, but thinking out loud. What if the baseball was a little bigger?

Would that improve hitting and slow the pitching? or would it be ridiculous?


What if the basketball was a little bigger? Would that mitigate the 3-point chucking that we see? or would it be ridiculous?


it's probably not that simple


another problem - If the league did figure out solutions to the gameplay, would the target demographic fan really prefer it? It's one thing for us guys on PA - We enjoy actual sporting events and sports. We appreciate the tactics and strategy and gameplay.

Valuist 06-15-2021 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Robert Fischer (Post 2731368)
I'm not suggesting this, but thinking out loud. What if the baseball was a little bigger?

Would that improve hitting and slow the pitching? or would it be ridiculous?


What if the basketball was a little bigger? Would that mitigate the 3-point chucking that we see? or would it be ridiculous?


it's probably not that simple


another problem - If the league did figure out solutions to the gameplay, would the target demographic fan really prefer it? It's one thing for us guys on PA - We enjoy actual sporting events and sports. We appreciate the tactics and strategy and gameplay.

I don't think we can change the ball. I have an idea, and I'm sure most will think its ridiculous, but so many of baseball's issues come back to the same root problem: velocity. All the factors I mentioned earlier: more strikeouts, more walks, more foul balls, more home runs, not to mention higher pitch counts, higher arm stress and more injuries. Less balls in play does nothing to stimulate fan interest.

The solution? A 95 MPH speed limit. No, we can't do that! That will penalize guys like DeGrom. But will it? i would argue that a guy like DeGrom could easily adjust to the point where he could get right at 95 for fastballs quite easily. And do it stress free. I grew up watching the game in the 70s. It WAS the greatest game. What it has morphed into is a shell of what it was. Not enough action.

How would it be enforced? Any pitch over 95 would be a ball, unless the ball was in play, and the hitting team chose the outcome. Yes, there would initially be delays, but I suspect that would decrease quickly.

Robert Fischer 06-15-2021 10:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Valuist (Post 2731372)
I don't think we can change the ball. I have an idea, and I'm sure most will think its ridiculous, but so many of baseball's issues come back to the same root problem: velocity. All the factors I mentioned earlier: more strikeouts, more walks, more foul balls, more home runs, not to mention higher pitch counts, higher arm stress and more injuries. Less balls in play does nothing to stimulate fan interest.

The solution? A 95 MPH speed limit. No, we can't do that! That will penalize guys like DeGrom. But will it? i would argue that a guy like DeGrom could easily adjust to the point where he could get right at 95 for fastballs quite easily. And do it stress free. I grew up watching the game in the 70s. It WAS the greatest game. What it has morphed into is a shell of what it was. Not enough action.

:D that's actually interesting

Valuist 06-15-2021 11:01 AM

Initially it would cause delays, but in the big picture, no doubt it would speed up the games. Less dead time.....more balls in play. Less obsession with hitting power. Defense and base running become viable factors.

Robert Fischer 06-15-2021 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Valuist (Post 2731378)
Initially it would cause delays, but in the big picture, no doubt it would speed up the games. Less dead time.....more balls in play. Less obsession with hitting power. Defense and base running become viable factors.

I love it. I think players/agents/fans would freak!


When I was a kid, I had this training basketball that was 1.5 times the size of regulation and the same weight. I'd shoot freethrows with it, do drills, and play 1-on-1 with it. Supposedly help with accuracy (for when you switch back to the NBA ball). It definitely forced some focus on accuracy, but was also a little different, so it wasn't a perfect transition back and forth. It also helped with palming the ball, as I could never quite palm the giant ball.

If the NBA made a new ball 1.1 or 1.05 times the current regulation, I wonder how it would affect gameplay.
I know it's taboo to mess with the ball, but maybe that could solve the problems without messing with the 3pt line? Or maybe it would cause an array of new issues...

thaskalos 06-15-2021 02:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Robert Fischer (Post 2731368)

What if the basketball was a little bigger? Would that mitigate the 3-point chucking that we see? or would it be ridiculous?

Wouldn't it be better to make the basket SMALLER, instead of making the ball bigger? Do we want to see the players shooting a BEACH ball out there?

Rex Phinney 06-15-2021 05:48 PM

MLB is so stupid, the changes they need are pretty easy to figure out.


#1. Get the DH into both leagues. STFU about it's not real baseball and some pitchers can hit etc etc etc. Pitchers coming up these days can't do jack shit with the bat and they won't pitch past 5 innings/ 1 at bat anyway.



#2. Stop the damn shifting. Defensive alignment requires two players on each side of second base until the ball is hit. I don't care if teams want the freedom to lineup were they want. Football forces 7 guys to the line of scrimmage and basketball has rules on your defense too. There is nothing wrong with the rules dictating where your defense has to begin.


#3. Limit the number of pitchers on the roster AND get rid of the 10 day IL. Change the IL to 20 day minimum. Too many teams are using the 10 day IL to shuffle guys on and off the roster and thus expand the roster so they can use 74 pitchers in every game. That bullshit.


#4. Adopt a computerized strike zone. You want to strike out a batter? Do it with real strikes. Throw it over the plate between in an honest strike zone and let the hitters do with it what they can.


#5. Get rid of the sticky stuff on the pitchers hands


#6. Allow teams to trade contracts and NOT have any money they eat count against their luxury tax. This would allow teams like the Yankees and Dodgers to spend money like drunken sailors and then trade (and still pay for) big contracts to small market teams. Albert Pujols would have been traded while he was actually still good. Giancarlo Stanton would be on a new team tomorrow

Marshall Bennett 06-15-2021 06:01 PM

I think the DH was the worst change ever made to baseball. It removed a huge strategic element from the game. These days with all the cheating and other distractions, there's little left on the chessboard to decide games anymore.

Rex Phinney 06-15-2021 07:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Marshall Bennett (Post 2731500)
I think the DH was the worst change ever made to baseball. It removed a huge strategic element from the game. These days with all the cheating and other distractions, there's little left on the chessboard to decide games anymore.


I used to think that too, but I've changed.


When the pitcher's spot comes up in the order lots of times the decision on when to pull him is automatic. Once you remove that element the manager has to truly decide when a pitcher is done. No more pulling him an inning early to pinch hit. The manager has more responsibility for every pitching decision he makes.

thaskalos 06-15-2021 07:57 PM

The pitcher shouldn't be asked to hit...it's embarrassing. And the manager shouldn't be asked to wear a player's uniform. In some cases, that's an even bigger embarrassment...IMO.

Valuist 06-16-2021 08:33 AM

The other problem, besides the obvious one (obsession with pitch velocity) is an entire generation who never learned how to hit properly. They grew up watching steroid freaks play fast pitch softball, swinging from the heels every pitch. Most of the great hitters from years ago didn't start out as power hitters. They were just good hitters and added power to their game as they developed.

Valuist 06-16-2021 10:34 AM

As for the original subject here, DeGrom, he's going tonight against the Cubs, and they've had some hitters who've had some success against him:

Bryant 6 for 17 with 2 HRs, Rizzo 10 for 23 w/a HR, Hayward .333 (9 for 27) and Jose Lobaton 4 for 7.

Secondbest 06-16-2021 08:28 PM

DeGrom pitched 3 innings 8 strikeouts. 1 flyball . Taken out with sore shoulder. Did not start the 4th inning.

Valuist 06-17-2021 08:22 AM

And yet another arm injury in the velocity obsessed world of MLB.

Marshall Bennett 08-16-2021 10:58 AM

Pure Heat
 

thaskalos 08-16-2021 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Marshall Bennett (Post 2746852)

He throws faster with his hair short.

dnlgfnk 09-26-2021 12:14 AM

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Originally Posted by dnlgfnk (Post 2729942)
Dodgers and Padres are currently a cumulative 35.76% in Vegas to win series, in a small sample tournament where the luck factor in baseball is squarely between the relative certainty of basketball and the unpredictability of hockey.

Might work out for your claim at about the same rate a 7-5 shot wins, but the cumulative chances of the WSox (11.11), Mets (10.0), Yanks (9.09), and Rays (6.67) have a 1.11% edge. Throw in the Stros for a 7.36% edge, from numbers crunchers who don't like to lose.

Cards 15th win in a row eliminates Padres.

thaskalos 10-23-2021 03:02 PM

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Originally Posted by thaskalos (Post 2730043)
Ten days ago I bet on the Astros to win the AL Pennant...at 7-1 odds. Does THIS seem like an overlay to you?

I don't like to brag, but...:cool:

Elkchester Road 10-23-2021 09:16 PM

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Originally Posted by thaskalos (Post 2761655)
I don't like to brag, but...:cool:

:ThmbUp::ThmbUp::ThmbUp:

Johnny V 10-24-2021 07:11 AM

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Originally Posted by thaskalos (Post 2761655)
I don't like to brag, but...:cool:

If I remember right, the Astros were the favorites to win the AL pennant late in May when you bet them. Regardless of my opinion at that time whether it was an overlay or not, it was considered by you to be a good bet and it had a good outcome. I think you are entitled to brag. You called it. Well done!! :ThmbUp:

Marshall Bennett 10-24-2021 12:21 PM

Their pitching has stepped it up since losing McCullers Jr.
Their hitting is solid from top to bottom, seldom seen on a MLB team...ever.
Never thought I'd forgive after the scandal. Swore I was done even watching. Apparently time heals more than I thought. Also, only a few remain from the 2017 roster.


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