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LottaKash |
05-01-2010 12:07 PM |
Quote:
Originally Posted by markgoldie
First, an unsolicited word on ABC racing: It stinks. .................................................. ..................Note: I was writing this and did not have the benefit of reading Kash's pertinent remarks on the subject of ABC racing. But he seems to be on the money. :ThmbUp: :ThmbUp:
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Thanks MG, for elaborating even further on this abc-issue....You always seem to say it so much better than I....Thx...:cool:
best,
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melman |
05-01-2010 12:30 PM |
I'm no fan of the ABC method either. However I would MUCH rather be betting into a trifecta takeout of 21% instead of the 29-35% take on Pennsylvania tracks. Yes there are many of us who can get rebates thru certain ADW's and lower that outlandish takeout. But what about the casual fan or someone new? Also if you live in the "wrong" state (such as NJ) you cannot sign up with cash back ADW's. You have to pay the full outlandish takeout if you choose to bet tri's.
I am sure Nick is a very busy man this weekend maybe later in the week he can address this and we can get his thinking on the ABC matter.
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LottaKash |
05-01-2010 12:34 PM |
Quote:
Originally Posted by melman
I'm no fan of the ABC method either. However I would MUCH rather be betting into a trifecta takeout of 21% instead of the 29-35% take on Pennsylvania tracks. Yes there are many of us who can get rebates thru certain ADW's and lower that outlandish takeout. But what about the casual fan or someone new? Also if you live in the "wrong" state (such as NJ) you cannot sign up with cash back ADW's. You have to pay the full outlandish takeout if you choose to bet tri's.
I am sure Nick is a very busy man this weekend maybe later in the week he can address this and we can get his thinking on the ABC matter.
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Hey Mel, money, money, money, is that all you ever talk about ?....:D
best,
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melman |
05-01-2010 12:58 PM |
Johnny===Take a look at my avatar. That should answer your question. Where I live today it's 88 and sunny. Bikini weather. :jump:
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LottaKash |
05-01-2010 01:11 PM |
Quote:
Originally Posted by melman
Johnny===Take a look at my avatar. That should answer your question. Where I live today it's 88 and sunny. Bikini weather. :jump:
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Mel, I looked ( again and again as I always do), that is "money".....:cool:
best.
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tone3 |
05-01-2010 02:26 PM |
Leaving for Tioga soon.....
My picks for Day 1
R1 9-6-1
R2 7-3-6
R3 4-6-1
R4 1-6-9
R5 8-6-4
R6 7-8-1
R7 5-3-1
R8 7-4-1
R9 4-3-2
R10 4-6-9
Good luck to all and Happy Profits ;)
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JFGHarness |
05-01-2010 02:47 PM |
here are my picks
197
375
514
1679
682
3421
175
142
9451
good luck to all leaving for tioga!~
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Ray2000 |
05-01-2010 03:00 PM |
Glad to have you playing JFGHarness
need to know which race you're passing or is it R1-R9?
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beaucap |
05-01-2010 03:53 PM |
Second Tier
Does tioga downs have second tier for post 9..10..etc. How many across do they run? I never handicapped that track. I am now$$$$
Would appreciate the help.
Bo:)
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traynor |
05-01-2010 04:04 PM |
Tioga Downs Opening Day
TgDn May1 R01 - PASS
TgDn May1 R02 - 7-8-4
TgDn May1 R03 - 4-6-5
TgDn May1 R04 - 6-1-3
TgDn May1 R05 - PASS
TgDn May1 R06 - 8-7-4
TgDn May1 R07 - 9-3-5
TgDn May1 R08 - PASS
TgDn May1 R09 - 2-5-7
TgDn May1 R10 - 1-9-2
I don't normally pass many races, but I am using a computer application that ignores qualifying races. The problem should disappear when the entries have a race over the track.
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Ray2000 |
05-01-2010 04:08 PM |
OK traynor glad to have you playing along
Bo... 9 behind the gate Here's the USTA fact sheet
http://racing.ustrotting.com/tracksi.../2010/tgdn.pdf
JFGHarness,
I think I cracked your code so .. based on superfectas in R4-R7-R10, you are passing race 6, at least that's what's you will have for May 1 unless corrected before 5:30 pm
Here are the robotic picks for Sunday, May 2, post time 1:30
(One more Mint Julep and I won't be up and around tomorrow 'till 2:00 :))
Rays bot picks
7 longshots?..... "Joshua what are you doing?" :confused:
Sunday, May 02, 2010 Post Time 1:30
Race 1... 6-1-7 ...Don'twanttobeblue-8/1
Race 2... 2-3-4 ...Jadestone-5/2
Race 3... 4-3-1 ...Armbro Beachbaby-8/1
Race 4... 1-3-2 ...Hey Its Only Money-12/1
Race 5... 5-4-8 ...Sheezacredit-7/2
Race 6... 3-5-4 ...Alexanderthegreatn-3/1
Race 7... 2-5-3 ...Eagle See-4/1
Race 8... 3-2-4 ...Earnest Kash-12/1
Race 9... 8-3-9 ...That's Justice-5/1
Race 10... 7-4-5 ...Counter Top-12/1
Race 11... 6-1-2 ...Basso Hanover-8/1
Race 12... 3-6-7 ...Iam Billy The Man-8/1
Race 13... 4-1-7 ...Star Stepper-3/1
Chatworth's Selections for Sunday day 2
r1 2-5-3
r2 2-3-6
r3 4-6-3
r4 4-2-7
r5 5-2-4
r6 3-5-6
r7 2-1-5
r8 4-5-7
r9 5-3-7
r10 5-2-3
r11 1-6-2
r12 4-3-6
r13 2-1-7
GLA
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RaceTrackDaddy |
05-01-2010 04:43 PM |
HANA Blog
Since the blog will not start live action at Tioga until next week I am free to move about. My buddy Randy and I are now heading down to Mountaineer to spread the word about Tioga's move in retention rates and the contest.
Have a great night to one and all!
rtd
bobby z
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beaucap |
05-01-2010 04:55 PM |
Thx Ray
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DeanT |
05-01-2010 07:15 PM |
Ray and Bob can not be stopped :)
Nice job Nick and Jason with the opening stuff. Looks like a nice night there!
I supported the pools with some advance bets, so I will check later to see how many "0's" I bring home :)
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DeanT |
05-01-2010 07:59 PM |
Nice ex in the third Ray. Good job. I used 5-48 tris and did not use the three for third. Yep, that's about right :)
Whoops. Missed the INQ. Yikes.
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melman |
05-01-2010 10:55 PM |
Picks for Tioga
Sunday
Day 2
R1 2-3-6
R2 4-3-9
R3 6-7-1
R4 4-2-6
R5 5-6-3
R6 3-5-4
R7 2-3-6
R8 6-2-1
R9 5-7-9
R10 2-9-5
R11 5-1-6
R12 6-4-1
R13 6-4-8
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RaceTrackDaddy |
05-02-2010 01:40 AM |
What a day
What a day this turned out to be for me. First off, I switched ADW's in March and never checked the track listing for this month but I did see Vernon listed somewhere earlier so I (and we all know what we are) assumed that Tioga would be one. Guess what, they do not have Tioga Downs available at BetAmerica...
Ok, couple emails and I was assured that they will try to get them as soon as they can to which I replied should not be too hard since you all ready have the sister track at Vernon..
Then I found out that my friend wanted to go to Mountaineer. I agreed when I found out that the blog was not going to be active tonight. Upon arriving at Mountaineer, I was checking the track listings on the wall near the show paddock. Guess what? Your right, Mountaineer did not carry them also.
Now you have this 300 lb beard old fart (me) on high looking for the mutuel manager. Guess what? Nope, he is none other than a busboy that worked for me when I waited on tables at the meadows years ago. He told me that he will run it by the powers that be at the mountain and try to get it.
Did notice that all superfectas night also carried a 50 cent minimum. Still lost my butt when I intended to bet Tioga. The only thing I bet today at Tioga was the first race (via Twin Spires) prior to leaving for West by God Virgina. I bet the 1st race in case we have traffic problems seeing how it was Derby Day. It was the only ticket (live or online) that I cashed. My favorite puppy, Kelsos Rockaway had road trouble today to start all off at Wheeling in the 4th.
Yes, my secret is out. I like the puppies,flats and harness. No descrimination here...
Tomorrow begins a new day and I look forward to the challenge.
rtd
bobby z
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willphorse |
05-02-2010 05:38 AM |
Any chance anybody saw the Total Attendance or Total Handle for last night?
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Pacingguy |
05-02-2010 06:57 AM |
Who's Carrying Tioga
First of all, here is a link showing who is carrying Tioga Downs.
http://viewfromthegrandstand.blogspo...simulcast.html
With regards to the A-B-C system, I like it. If you check the TIoga Downs website under racing information, you will see a brief explanation regarding how the classified system is going to be used. That being said, a very brief explanation is here.
What happens is the racing secretary will rank each horse against the horses being dropped in on the particular day of racing for classified system. Based on the level of horses entered, the horse will be ranked. Let's say a horse raced in B last week and assume this week there are some stakes races so a trainers decide to ship in some of their Meadowlands and Yonkers horses alongwith the stakes contestants. Because of this, the horse ranked B last week can drop into the C's for this week. The idea being to form competive races each week with no horse going off below 3-1 (wouldn't that be nice).
As for stiffing a horse to get dropped into a lower class. One of the factors being used is money earned the last five starts. So unless you are willing to stiff a horse for as much as five weeks, you are not necessarily going to drop down that much; dare I say the trainer/owner will not come out ahead earnings wise by doing so? Also, for those who think a trainer will stiff a horse in a classified race, don't you think the same trainer will do so in a conditioned race? Yes, I know the racing secretary may seem to have too much control, but if done right, it can make for some exciting racing with decent pay-offs. I personally am sick of seeing a parade of horses less than 2-1 winning races. If a trainer doesn't like classified racing, they can race in claimers and may I remind them, Saratoga, Pocono, Monticello are close enough for them to race at.
Also, classified racing makes it easier for novices to be attracted to harness racing. This is particulary helpful for the Tioga area market and elsewhere. If you don't have novices betting, where is the 'dumb' money going to come from?
Yes, some of us will have to change the way we handicap. That is unfortunate, however we are smart and should be able to adapt relatively quickly. However, if something is not done, there won't be any racing to bet.
Of course, the proof is in the pudding. Let's see how it goes.
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Ray2000 |
05-02-2010 07:16 AM |
Results:
1 Attachment(s)
Way to start off tone3.....great picks...
Attached is the Pencils vs Chips status that will be at Tioga Downs site when they get the website modified.
Code:
Contest Standings as of May 1, 2010
Race Win Win Win Win Exacta Exacta Exacta
Summary Bets Hits Return ROI Bets Return ROI
tone3 10 5 $47.90 140% 20 $156.40 291%
Morning Line 10 5 $38.00 90% 20 $31.30 -22%
traynor 7 3 $24.80 77% 14 $10.40 -63%
tamaharbor 10 4 $35.00 75% 19 $0.00 -100%
mirror Image 10 3 $25.40 27% 0 $0.00 -
JFGHarness 9 2 $14.00 -22% 17 $0.00 -100%
TM Chatsworth 10 2 $14.30 -29% 19 $10.40 -73%
Bobby Z 10 3 $13.10 -35% 20 $8.10 -80%
Rays Robot 10 2 $9.50 -53% 19 $8.10 -79%
Mel 10 2 $6.30 -69% 20 $8.10 -80%
markgoldie 10 2 $6.30 -69% 8 $0.00 -100%
Unofficial handle $110,561
Lets see if we can reverse order those standings today, post time 1:30,
Good Luck All
Any mistakes let me know there may be a bug or 2
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mirror Image |
05-02-2010 07:55 AM |
Sunday may 2 Tioga all win bets
R1 4
R2 3
R3 4
R4 4
R5 5
R6 8
R7 3
R8 5
R9 8
R10 5
R11 3
R12 1
R13 4
Good Luck to all
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mirror Image |
05-02-2010 09:05 AM |
Ray, I'm confused (not hard to do):D . Do you have to
make both 400 win bets and 800 ex bets or can I just
Make the required 400 win bets and not pick any ex's ? Thanks.
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tamaharbor |
05-02-2010 10:18 AM |
Tamaharbor Selections - Sunday May 2
1. 3,6,1
2. 4,2,1
3. 4,3,1
4. 1,6,2
5. 6,7,8
6. 4,1,5
7. 1,2,9
8. 1,6,5
9. 5,7,2
10. 3,5,8
11. 2,1,8
12. 3,5,6
13. 4,7,1
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Ray2000 |
05-02-2010 10:29 AM |
mirror Image
just playing wins is fine, 400 minimum
but at the end, if your 0% exacta ROI is tops :D no prize
ray
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melman |
05-02-2010 10:38 AM |
Mirror---Here is the way I understand it. Your fine with just making win picks. Since there are two prizes if you make exacta picks also you just give yourself another chance at one of them.
Ray & Nick===You two must have felt right at home with Roger calling the races last night. When I first clicked on the Tioga video I thought I had made a mistake and gotten The Meadows. :) Roger and the video staff did a good job of showing and explaining the DQ in race 3. Since that was the only hit I had on the night I was also in full agreement with the judges take down. :D Only two small priced winners for my picks on opening night but I had some bad trips. Got to have some excuse. :) Not all that bad however as the main battle between BobbyZ and me vs the computer geeks was a draw. :D Good job by Tone3 and the morning line guy.
Nick & Jason---Your track looked great on my video. Looked to me like a job well done. For today's card I see you have drivers Bartlett, Stratton, Kakaley to go along with Ranger and Fluet. Not bad at all. Maybe you can talk Billy (the kid) Dobson to come over to Tioga and compete. All the best for your meet and I hope your opening night handle was up compared to last years opening night.
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Augie16 |
05-02-2010 11:06 AM |
I'm jumping in on this rainy Sunday if it isn't too late.
Race 1. 2,4,6
2. 2,1,3
3. 3,6,7
4. 4,2,6
5. 5,1,4
6. 3,6,1
7. 2,6,8
8. 3,1,5
9. 8,9,6
10. 2,5,7
11. 2,5,3
12. 6,5,8
13. 4,7,1,8
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beaucap |
05-02-2010 11:16 AM |
Ray's Contest
Can i still enter the contest?
Bo:jump:
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Ray2000 |
05-02-2010 11:24 AM |
Bo
Sure
There are 57 race days. One can enter as late as June ? and still get in the required 400 Win plays. I'm guessing players will be in some days, out some days.
Good luck Augie and Bo and thanks for the picks....
GLA
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LottaKash |
05-02-2010 11:30 AM |
Quote:
Originally Posted by melman
Mirror---
Nick & Jason---Your track looked great on my video. Looked to me like a job well done. For today's card I see you have drivers Bartlett, Stratton, Kakaley to go along with Ranger and Fluet. Not bad at all. Maybe you can talk Billy (the kid) Dobson to come over to Tioga and compete. All the best for your meet and I hope your opening night handle was up compared to last years opening night.
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I second that emotion, good things seem to be happening there....:jump:
best,
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beaucap |
05-02-2010 11:56 AM |
Thanks Ray
And Here they come...MAY 2nd
Race 1...7-3-2
2...9-3-5
3...4-7-6
4...4-7-3
5...4-2-5
6...5-1-8
7...2-6-8
8...3-9-6
9...9-4-5
10...5-3-7
11...8-1-9
12...8-3-7
13...8-4-9
Good Luck to all......
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traynor |
05-02-2010 12:18 PM |
Sunday Tioga Downs
Tioga Downs May 2
R01 - 2-5-6
R02 - 3-9-8
R03 - 4-1-2
R04 - 9-3-7
R05 - 4-5-8
R06 - 8-5-3
R07 - 3-2-9
R08 - 3-5-9
R09 - 8-9-1
R10 - 2-6-9
R11 - 3-7-5
R12 - 1-6-8
R13 - 4-1-7
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DeanT |
05-02-2010 01:40 PM |
Nice pick in race 1 Mirror Image! Those help the ROI :)
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mirror Image |
05-02-2010 01:44 PM |
Should of listened to Melman about giving myself another shot buy picking ex's .
Had the win bet and ex at you bet :jump: $39.00- $474.00.
I'm starting to like Tioga :D
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Ray2000 |
05-02-2010 01:47 PM |
mirror
:ThmbUp: :ThmbUp: :ThmbUp:
had you played the exacta the contest would be over, (damn near)
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beaucap |
05-02-2010 02:00 PM |
sound problems
I'm on youbet and the sound is buzzing. Everyone having same problem?
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mirror Image |
05-02-2010 02:22 PM |
Thanks Ray and Dean. Same with me on youbet Beaucap.
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mirror Image |
05-02-2010 02:34 PM |
Was that time right for Cactus Creek in the 4th ?
25.1 52.3 1:20.0 1:50.0:eek: Must of had his weaties this morning :D
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mirror Image |
05-02-2010 04:11 PM |
Way to go Melman $22.80 winner, $152.50 ex and a ice cold
tri for $281.00 for a buck :ThmbUp: :ThmbUp:
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melman |
05-02-2010 04:19 PM |
Tks Mirror I got some company and bang a solid hit. Just trying to keep up with you. :) Can't let these computer geeks have any hope. :D
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mirror Image |
05-02-2010 04:48 PM |
Hey Melman your like the oldies station "the hits just keep on coming" :ThmbUp:
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