Originally Posted by SG4 (Post 2324077)

Why be upset at this? I think it's a great idea, it's giving more chances for bettors to play into pools with lower net takeouts instead of the money just sitting there the rest of the meet. It's a benefit for CD as well, a win-win far as I'm concerned. I've always thought the best of both worlds for players and tracks were if these jackpots were paid out automatically whether it be the end of every month, or once a carry hits something like $500,000.

Originally Posted by jay68802 (Post 2324151)

Do you think Crookhill Downs is doing this for the player? They are doing it because on Sunday it gives them a extra $45,000 in take out. How would you feel to be the only player to hit this bet on Saturday and have the $300,000.00 not paid to you. As for more chances, you can play this bet every day. You have plenty of chances.

Pay the bets automatically? That is why when the bet started, there is a mandatory payout at the end of the meet. Wake up, Crookhill does not want to loose the takeout. It is that simple, instead of starting over and trying to carry a small pool till it builds, they want to keep their revenue, and screw the players.

Nothing but a money grab.

Originally Posted by River11 (Post 2324205)

If there is a single p6 ticket on Saturday the entire carryover will be payed out, if multiple tickets then the 300k of the pool is divided.

Originally Posted by jay68802 (Post 2324151)

Do you think Crookhill Downs is doing this for the player? They are doing it because on Sunday it gives them a extra $45,000 in take out. How would you feel to be the only player to hit this bet on Saturday and have the $300,000.00 not paid to you. As for more chances, you can play this bet every day. You have plenty of chances.

Pay the bets automatically? That is why when the bet started, there is a mandatory payout at the end of the meet. Wake up, Crookhill does not want to loose the takeout. It is that simple, instead of starting over and trying to carry a small pool till it builds, they want to keep their revenue, and screw the players.

Nothing but a money grab.

Originally Posted by SG4 (Post 2324218)

I don't understand your thinking on this on a number of levels, and already it's shown you had some misconceptions about what happens if there's a single ticket winner on Saturday, but that didn't change your annoyance.



First off I don't think it's a money grab by CD, but I do think it's smart business for them, because this actually is good for the player which means more revenue for them. Who knows, between lowering their pick 5 takeout this meet & the way they've handled their jackpot 6 so far this season, I'm almost willing to think someone who is clued in to gamblers might have a voice at the table finally around there.

The only voice at the table was CDI. You are partly right about it being "smart business" in the fact that CDI gets to keep on getting their %15 of the $300,000 instead of paying that money out.



The more chances to play this bet I was referring to were the more chances you can play with a large guaranteed carryover as part of the pool, no matter if it's a single winner. You can indeed play this bet every day for the very unlikely chance of taking down the entire pool, but I think players would appreciate a pool thrown in here & there that essentially reduces the takeout to zero, while still giving you that chance to take down a single score. Like I said before, it's a win-win.

There is no guaranteed carry over or pool size.

Also I don't understand what you mean about CD not wanting to lose the takeout through this move? If anything, as I think Gulfstream's large rainbow carries show, as the pot builds the pools build, thus making it less and less likely to be paid out in full. By cutting the jackpot pool in half, CD will actually lose some day to day revenue on this bet & possibly be more likely to have the jackpot wiped out before the last day of the meet, which is of course the ideal date to have the jackpot carry into. So this move I think is a smart hedge for them where they are guaranteed at least a big pool on Saturday, and they'll hope the jackpot continues after that.

If they would pay the whole pool out, like they should, their pool on Sunday would start at $0. CDI's take out would be %15 of the pool for that day, around $30,000, or $4,500.00. Instead it will be guaranteed that CDI will get $45,000.00 + as their cut.


Overall, IMO every track in the country with a jackpot wager should emulate CD's formula. With a 15% takeout, only 10% carried each day and a 20c base wager, this is the best pick 6 value in the country. I can't pick a winner to save my life at CD lately but I am honestly thrilled with their format, as it makes this bet playable every single day whether or not you're aiming to take down the jackpot.

Originally Posted by lamboguy (Post 2324236)

i have a question regarding
s hypothetical in a jackpot bet

lets say you make a ticket with various combinations. you come to a race where you originally had 4 selections. one of them already the post time favorite. one of the other horses gets lose and runs off and gets scratched. ultimately the favorite wins and yo9u now have 2 tickets because of the scratch. you hit the other 6 races and nobody else has 6 for 6. did you just lose your rainbow jackpot qualification because you got rewarded with the post time favorite?

Originally Posted by lamboguy (Post 2324236)

i have a question regarding
s hypothetical in a jackpot bet

lets say you make a ticket with various combinations. you come to a race where you originally had 4 selections. one of them already the post time favorite. one of the other horses gets lose and runs off and gets scratched. ultimately the favorite wins and yo9u now have 2 tickets because of the scratch. you hit the other 6 races and nobody else has 6 for 6. did you just lose your rainbow jackpot qualification because you got rewarded with the post time favorite?