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hracingplyr 01-30-2021 02:13 PM

Book
 
One of the all-time greatest racing books for the handicapper available.

Consistent Handicapping Profits. By E.W. Donaldson written in 1936. This book sold on Amazon for $1,000.00!!!!. A close friend of mine whose father just passed away at the age of 101 was an avid horseplayer and we were looking thru his racing material and found the book that many a horseplayer wants to get his hands on. Barry Meadow wrote a brief synopsis on the book and was also previewed by Jerry Brown of Thorograph. Well, my buddy has made this book into an E-Book which he is letting me sell. for pricing drop me a line here or at robertj1949@gmail.com

hracingplyr 01-30-2021 07:07 PM

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Originally Posted by hracingplyr (Post 2698483)
One of the all-time greatest racing books for the handicapper available.

Consistent Handicapping Profits. By E.W. Donaldson written in 1936. This book sold on Amazon for $1,000.00!!!!. A close friend of mine whose father just passed away at the age of 101 was an avid horseplayer and we were looking thru his racing material and found the book that many a horseplayer wants to get his hands on. Barry Meadow wrote a brief synopsis on the book and was also previewed by Jerry Brown of Thorograph. Well, my buddy has made this book into an E-Book which he is letting me sell. for pricing drop me a line here or at robertj1949@gmail.com

forgot the price it is 35.00 pay pal

QuarterCrack 01-31-2021 10:46 PM

On the subject of this book, I will share something I discovered for those who are really interested or became super-infatuated with finding a hard copy, as I did several years ago, with no luck:

There was a book put out in 1937 called "How To Select Winning Horses", by Montee Publishing, which appears to essentially be a reissue of "Consistent Handicapping Profits". I can't say that for sure (not having literally compared the two side-by-side), but it certainly appears to contain all of the same information, based on what I know and have seen of each (I do own a copy of "How to Select Winning Horses" and I have seen exerpts and read Jerry Brown's review of "Consistent Handicapping Profits".) All the charts, graphs, discussion of speed figures and variants, wind adjustments, ground loss, etc. etc. are in there. E.W. Donaldson is listed as one of the writers, so it's probably a good substitute for "Consistent Handicapping Profits" if you're looking for a hard copy and don't feel like paying $1,000 for it.

I forget what I paid for it about a decade ago, but it was pretty short money if I recall, and certainly nothing on the level of $1,000.

All that said, it's nice you're offering a soft copy of the original, that's really cool. I definitely would have gone that route during my obsessively frustrating time trying to find the book back in the day - it would have saved me a lot of headache!

hracingplyr 02-01-2021 09:26 AM

E-book
 
The book u are talking about is a fine book, but nowhere as involved as the one I am selling in E-Book style. This Author was way ahead of his time especially with the chapters on ground loss and deceleration. got me some nice priced winner at Tampa and Gulfstream this past weekend.

bob

cj 02-05-2021 04:51 PM

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Originally Posted by hracingplyr (Post 2698483)
One of the all-time greatest racing books for the handicapper available.

Consistent Handicapping Profits. By E.W. Donaldson written in 1936. This book sold on Amazon for $1,000.00!!!!. A close friend of mine whose father just passed away at the age of 101 was an avid horseplayer and we were looking thru his racing material and found the book that many a horseplayer wants to get his hands on. Barry Meadow wrote a brief synopsis on the book and was also previewed by Jerry Brown of Thorograph. Well, my buddy has made this book into an E-Book which he is letting me sell. for pricing drop me a line here or at robertj1949@gmail.com

I actually have this book, might have to try the Amazon route!

Is there a way to see the past sale on Amazon?

hracingplyr 02-05-2021 07:21 PM

Amazon
 
No CJ think it sold a couple of yrs ago at the 1,000 price. I am selling the E-book version for 35.00. Sales have been very good from the PA crowd.

Actor 02-06-2021 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by hracingplyr (Post 2698483)
Well, my buddy has made this book into an E-Book which he is letting me sell.

What about copyright? In the U.S. anything published after 18 Jan 1926 could still be in copyright (but not necessarily). Laws in other countries tend to be similar.

PaceAdvantage 02-06-2021 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Actor (Post 2700030)
What about copyright? In the U.S. anything published after 18 Jan 1926 could still be in copyright (but not necessarily). Laws in other countries tend to be similar.

Good question...

Plus...unauthorized advertising? Pffffftttt....nobody really cares about that, right? :lol:

Actor 02-06-2021 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by PaceAdvantage (Post 2700031)
Plus...unauthorized advertising? Pffffftttt....nobody really cares about that, right?

That occurred to me. Which reminds me, I haven't made my monthly VIP donation yet.

PaceAdvantage 02-06-2021 02:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Actor (Post 2700039)
That occurred to me. Which reminds me, I haven't made my monthly VIP donation yet.

BTW, I sent you that private message just now before I read this...but a public thanks is also in order.

THANK YOU!

Dave Schwartz 02-06-2021 02:35 PM

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How Long Does Copyright Protection Last?
How long does a copyright last?
The term of copyright for a particular work depends on several factors, including whether it has been published, and, if so, the date of first publication. As a general rule, for works created after January 1, 1978, copyright protection lasts for the life of the author plus an additional 70 years. For an anonymous work, a pseudonymous work, or a work made for hire, the copyright endures for a term of 95 years from the year of its first publication or a term of 120 years from the year of its creation, whichever expires first. For works first published prior to 1978, the term will vary depending on several factors. To determine the length of copyright protection for a particular work, consult chapter 3 of the Copyright Act (title 17 of the United States Code). More information on the term of copyright can be found in Circular 15a, Duration of Copyright, and Circular 1, Copyright Basics.
https://www.copyright.gov/help/faq/f...%2070%20years.

hracingplyr 02-06-2021 02:53 PM

That
 
Was all taken care of.

acorn54 02-07-2021 03:35 AM

i think this book is available for a reasonable price, if this link is the book you are talking about. i don't know if i am allowed to provide this link on p,a,'s web site, but i have no relations financially or personally with the people or person behind the ad. but p.a. can delete this link if he sees it as a violation of his policies.


https://rpmhandicappinggiant.com/pro...en-methodolgy/

hracingplyr 02-07-2021 11:15 AM

They
 
Are selling there's for 45.00 I believe mine is 35.00

NorCalGreg 02-07-2021 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by hracingplyr (Post 2700198)
Are selling there's for 45.00 I believe mine is 35.00

And it's selling well to PA members--yet you won't donate the price of even 1 sale to the website, in return for advertising?

Pretty lame, dude

hracingplyr 02-07-2021 03:26 PM

That
 
Will be done this week Greg. Thank you for your concern, but have been busy the last few weeks with a family funeral.

Clocker 02-08-2021 11:07 PM

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Originally Posted by hracingplyr (Post 2698483)
Consistent Handicapping Profits. By E.W. Donaldson written in 1936.


Near as I can tell, the game has change a bit since 1936. :rolleyes:

hracingplyr 02-09-2021 12:00 PM

It
 
Has changed since 1936. but his concepts still apply to today's racing. Especially the chapters on ground loss exhaustion and the reading of result charts apply very nicely to today's handicapping. Jerry Brown the creator of the thorograph sheets claimed at the handicapping expo in 2004 that this book was an important uncredited source for much of what both thorograph and ragazon sheets do today.

acorn54 02-09-2021 04:03 PM

hracingplyr there is nothing to gain by trying to convince others to use the insights in the 1936 book, it will only depress the mutuels of the horses that the book focuses on. of course for you, there is the sale of the book, to fellow horseplayers, but that is only temporary income that will eventually dry up.

hracingplyr 02-09-2021 06:22 PM

Not
 
trying to convince anyone to buy the book just stating facts. then people can decide, nothing more, nothing less. as far as the income from the book that means nothing as part of my profits will be going to PA and the rest goes to our church soup kitchen who feeds the homeless. It will be going to Pa for monthly donations to the board and when it dries up it dries up.

acorn54 02-09-2021 08:20 PM

hracingplyr. i agree with you about the facts. i was just trying to point out that it makes more sense for you and the people who purchase the book, that it is more profitable to use the content in the book at the parimutuel windows, than to focus on the limited income the book sales will generate. after all we are not communists.

thaskalos 02-09-2021 08:57 PM

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Originally Posted by hracingplyr (Post 2700636)
trying to convince anyone to buy the book just stating facts. then people can decide, nothing more, nothing less. as far as the income from the book that means nothing as part of my profits will be going to PA and the rest goes to our church soup kitchen who feeds the homeless. It will be going to Pa for monthly donations to the board and when it dries up it dries up.

Very worthy causes, both. :ThmbUp:

Is there any way we could access this book without a pay pal account?

Clocker 02-09-2021 09:59 PM

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Originally Posted by hracingplyr (Post 2700563)
Especially the chapters on ground loss exhaustion and the reading of result charts apply very nicely to today's handicapping.


I have been betting horses for over 40 years, and have never head the term "ground loss exhaustion". Perhaps you could explain further.

As to reading of result charts, any good handicapper does that in depth, and has learned how to make use of the data there.

thaskalos 02-09-2021 11:15 PM

The guy comes here and offers a rare and interesting book at a deep discount, while agreeing to split his profits with the site...and he encounters unwarranted confrontation from "experts", who have obviously "done it all before". :rolleyes:

acorn54 02-09-2021 11:33 PM

if my memory serves me, einstein said, "the more knowledge he got, the more he realized how little he knew", or words to that effect.

and my two cents, instead of trying to pik the book seller's brain about what's in the book, stop being so stingy, and buy the dam book from him and help feed the homeless, for christ sake.

thaskalos 02-09-2021 11:47 PM

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Originally Posted by acorn54 (Post 2700668)
if my memory serves me, einstein said, "the more knowledge he got, the more he realized how little he knew", or words to that effect.

and my two cents, instead of trying to pik the book seller's brain about what's in the book, stop being so stingy, and buy the dam book from him and help feed the homeless, for christ sake.

AMEN! :ThmbUp:

hracingplyr 02-10-2021 08:30 AM

Sorry
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Clocker (Post 2700661)
I have been betting horses for over 40 years, and have never head the term "ground loss exhaustion". Perhaps you could explain further.

As to reading of result charts, any good handicapper does that in depth, and has learned how to make use of the data there.


About that clocker, I should have put a comma in after ground loss. today we handicappers call exhaustion deceleration.

hracingplyr 02-11-2021 11:00 AM

Book
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by thaskalos (Post 2700655)
Very worthy causes, both. :ThmbUp:

Is there any way we could access this book without a pay pal account?


sure you can pay with a Visa or MasterCard or send me a check, whatever you are comfortable with. Just drop me an e-mail and let me know what you want to do. robertj1949@gmail.com


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