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GMB@BP 01-23-2018 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Denny (Post 2265216)
cj,

Why did I receive an infraction from you on my comment to AA?

I asked questions. Is that not allowed here?

Are people here above reproach?

Was he invited to GP by TSG and Ritvo to attend the Pegasus or not, is what I asked him???

He is supposedly a self-proclaimed horseplayer representative.

Who exactly he represents is what i'd like to know.

He has insulted me at another website before this when I've questioned his motives.

Maybe you should just have a private conversation to discuss your agenda rather then muddy up the thread?

Denny 01-23-2018 04:28 PM

I also "ASKED" somewhere else, on another thread somewhere if his expenses were being paid for by The Stronach Group to attend the Pegasus.

He smeared me with a vulgarity at HRI. Something I don't need to repeat. But, will if you ask.

Maybe he misread that there were Question Marks attached to my phrases.
Not Periods, as one would when making a statement.

jay68802 01-23-2018 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by cj (Post 2265109)
Metric part aside, Pat is spot on. Timing races the way we do now is comical to be honest. There is no downside to giving bettors the best data possible.



Absolutely correct, there is only a upside for everyone.

And Andy, were you invited to the Pegasus by Ritvo and TSG, or not?

If you were go, have a great time, and if you get a chance, express your opinions.

And say "Hi" to Usher for me, he will know who I am.

And ask Belinda if she ever got that little tattoo removed. Never mind, that last one is a really bad idea.

Andy Asaro 01-23-2018 04:40 PM

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Originally Posted by jay68802 (Post 2265224)
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Absolutely correct, there is only a upside for everyone.

And Andy, were you invited to the Pegasus by Ritvo and TSG, or not?

If you were go, have a great time, and if you get a chance, express your opinions.

And say "Hi" to Usher for me, he will know who I am.

And ask Belinda if she ever got that little tattoo removed. Never mind, that last one is a really bad idea.

Yes, Ritvo invited me. And I will have a good time there. Thanks.

jay68802 01-23-2018 04:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Andy Asaro (Post 2265226)
Yes, Ritvo invited me. And I will have a good time there. Thanks.

Good, but DO NOT ask that last question.:)

Andy Asaro 01-24-2018 10:47 AM

Twitter poll has opposite results. But, the run up will not changed.

Andy Asaro 01-24-2018 11:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Andy Asaro (Post 2265375)
Twitter poll has opposite results. But, the run up will not changed.

It will be interesting to see if anyone drawing an outside post for the race talks about it.

Andy Asaro 01-24-2018 11:51 AM


letswastemoney 01-24-2018 12:10 PM

West Coast and Sharp Azteca look good. I like one of those two to win.

dilanesp 01-24-2018 12:15 PM

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Originally Posted by letswastemoney (Post 2265396)
West Coast and Sharp Azteca look good. I like one of those two to win.

I have been looking forward to betting West Coast in this race since the Breeders' Cup. He is still improving.

Denny 01-24-2018 07:27 PM

AA,

Promoting the phony purse at 16M in your last post.

Not surprising.

Robert Fischer 01-24-2018 07:36 PM

Just ask to be his date already..

cj 01-24-2018 07:49 PM

I am curious if a horse runs last and gets 800,000 back and the owner loses money, does the horse still get credited with 800,000 in earnings? I assume they do but really that is one of the silliest things I've seen yet in horse racing if so.

Thomas Roulston 01-24-2018 08:07 PM

They have actually run 14-horse fields at 1 1/16 miles at Gulfstream you know.

You can get away with that when you have the second longest turns in North America - 1,742 feet, behind only Belmont Park's 2,020 feet.

As for cj's question: That happens all the time, when horses get 1% of the purse for finishing (usually) 6th or worse when the cost of nominating, entering and starting the horse is 1.1%, and sometimes a great deal more.

jay68802 01-24-2018 08:14 PM

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Originally Posted by cj (Post 2265651)
I am curious if a horse runs last and gets 800,000 back and the owner loses money, does the horse still get credited with 800,000 in earnings? I assume they do but really that is one of the silliest things I've seen yet in horse racing if so.

Last years last place finisher was Eragon and was credited with $250,000 in life time earnings.

Thomas Roulston 01-24-2018 08:19 PM

Where did he get the $800,000 figure from?

cj 01-24-2018 09:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Thomas Roulston (Post 2265673)
Where did he get the $800,000 figure from?

Each horse is guaranteed 750,000 plus they get some of the handle.

cj 01-24-2018 09:25 PM

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Originally Posted by jay68802 (Post 2265669)
Last years last place finisher was Eragon and was credited with $250,000 in life time earnings.

And that was the guarantee last year. So phony.

Tom 01-24-2018 10:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Thomas Roulston (Post 2265673)
Where did he get the $800,000 figure from?

From this guy.....



cj 01-24-2018 10:32 PM

Two more hand timed races at GP today, that makes SEVEN in the last three racing days.

dilanesp 01-24-2018 10:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Thomas Roulston (Post 2265666)
They have actually run 14-horse fields at 1 1/16 miles at Gulfstream you know.

You can get away with that when you have the second longest turns in North America - 1,742 feet, behind only Belmont Park's 2,020 feet.

As for cj's question: That happens all the time, when horses get 1% of the purse for finishing (usually) 6th or worse when the cost of nominating, entering and starting the horse is 1.1%, and sometimes a great deal more.

That is silly. An outside post at 9 furlongs there is a significant handicap.

cj 01-24-2018 10:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Thomas Roulston (Post 2265666)
They have actually run 14-horse fields at 1 1/16 miles at Gulfstream you know.

You can get away with that when you have the second longest turns in North America - 1,742 feet, behind only Belmont Park's 2,020 feet.

As for cj's question: That happens all the time, when horses get 1% of the purse for finishing (usually) 6th or worse when the cost of nominating, entering and starting the horse is 1.1%, and sometimes a great deal more.

Those are nominal amounts. We are talking about turning horses into fake millionaires with one race.

jay68802 01-24-2018 10:51 PM

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Originally Posted by cj (Post 2265749)
Two more hand timed races at GP today, that makes SEVEN in the last three racing days.

Trackus announced that because of the problems they were having they are changing, and going to use land line technology once they work out a few bugs.


Thomas Roulston 01-25-2018 10:25 AM

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Originally Posted by cj (Post 2265714)
Each horse is guaranteed 750,000 plus they get some of the handle.


You know how I have always felt about this: Instead, it should be $1,150,000 to 4th, $1,050,000 to 5th, $950,000 to 6th, $850,000 to 7th, $750,000 to 8th, $650,000 to 9th, $550,000 to 10th, $450,000 to 11th and $350,000 to 12th. Even with that the guarantee is still $100,000 higher than it was last year - and the fourth and fifth-place owners come out ahead, instead of only the first two coming out ahead and the third-place owner breaking even, as was the case last year.

Denny 01-25-2018 10:47 AM

Shysters
 
The PAYgasus is all smoke and mirrors.

A great con job by TSG.

Gulfstream is their biggest shyster operation going.

Like they say, a sucker is born every minute. Plenty to be taken advantage of by people like Frank.

They even pay people off with freebies and perks to take their side and promote what the're doing. It's standard operating procedure.

cj 01-25-2018 11:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Thomas Roulston (Post 2265858)
You know how I have always felt about this: Instead, it should be $1,150,000 to 4th, $1,050,000 to 5th, $950,000 to 6th, $850,000 to 7th, $750,000 to 8th, $650,000 to 9th, $550,000 to 10th, $450,000 to 11th and $350,000 to 12th. Even with that the guarantee is still $100,000 higher than it was last year - and the fourth and fifth-place owners come out ahead, instead of only the first two coming out ahead and the third-place owner breaking even, as was the case last year.

This has nothing to do with my point.

Andy Asaro 01-25-2018 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Denny (Post 2265866)
The PAYgasus is all smoke and mirrors.

A great con job by TSG.

Gulfstream is their biggest shyster operation going.

Like they say, a sucker is born every minute. Plenty to be taken advantage of by people like Frank.

They even pay people off with freebies and perks to take their side and promote what the're doing. It's standard operating procedure.


Thomas Roulston 01-25-2018 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by cj (Post 2265870)
This has nothing to do with my point.


Actually it does: Giving a horse $600,000 for finishing last in a 12-horse field puts that horse more than halfway to becoming a fake millionaire. At least have them finish fourth or fifth and make them earn it.

cj 01-25-2018 11:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Thomas Roulston (Post 2265885)
Actually it does: Giving a horse $600,000 for finishing last in a 12-horse field puts that horse more than halfway to becoming a fake millionaire. At least have them finish fourth or fifth and make them earn it.

OK, I can buy that, but they couldn't even fill the field charging 250k to enter. They had to "buy" three slots. If you make it harder to get the money back it would have been even worse.

Thomas Roulston 01-25-2018 12:11 PM

I don't think beating half the field, or even less than that, is too much to ask for the owner to get his/her money back.

Tom 01-25-2018 02:21 PM

Winner take all.
Put up or shut up.

castaway01 01-25-2018 03:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Tom (Post 2265969)
Winner take all.
Put up or shut up.

That idea obviously didn't fly though. The question is, though, would you rather they do this subsidized $16 million purse just so we can have a big race in a quiet time in racing, or not? To me, it's not my money so who cares if they want to throw it around? Frank's wasted money on a lot of sillier things.

cj 01-25-2018 03:49 PM

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Originally Posted by castaway01 (Post 2266017)
That idea obviously didn't fly though. The question is, though, would you rather they do this subsidized $16 million purse just so we can have a big race in a quiet time in racing, or not? To me, it's not my money so who cares if they want to throw it around? Frank's wasted money on a lot of sillier things.

The race is certainly better than the Donn, which had been tailing off. I think it is silly how they make up a purse number that simply isn't true, but otherwise, why not? It is a good bridge between the Classic and Dubai and these same horses wouldn't be running for in the old Donn.

Fager Fan 01-25-2018 04:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Denny (Post 2265866)
The PAYgasus is all smoke and mirrors.

A great con job by TSG.

Gulfstream is their biggest shyster operation going.

Like they say, a sucker is born every minute. Plenty to be taken advantage of by people like Frank.

They even pay people off with freebies and perks to take their side and promote what the're doing. It's standard operating procedure.

I'm sure you won't be either watching or betting tomorrow.

Which is just fine. Don't let the door hit ya on the way out.

Tom 01-25-2018 04:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by castaway01 (Post 2266017)
That idea obviously didn't fly though. The question is, though, would you rather they do this subsidized $16 million purse just so we can have a big race in a quiet time in racing, or not? To me, it's not my money so who cares if they want to throw it around? Frank's wasted money on a lot of sillier things.

I have very little interest in the race. Races run at GP to me are meaningless. I will watch, for entertainment, but I am betting Tampa Bay and probably Fair Grounds. Not a cent at GP.

Fager Fan 01-25-2018 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by castaway01 (Post 2266017)
That idea obviously didn't fly though. The question is, though, would you rather they do this subsidized $16 million purse just so we can have a big race in a quiet time in racing, or not? To me, it's not my money so who cares if they want to throw it around? Frank's wasted money on a lot of sillier things.

Exactly. Sure are a lot of people fussing even though it's not costing them a dime.

For some reason, they never thought it a problem that a man who takes the wealth of a country as his own puts up a huge pot, but it's all *itch and moan when we have to be more creative in how we fund such a race.

Denny 01-25-2018 05:17 PM

Fager Fan,

Why would I want to waste more than a couple of bucks on Frank's Faulty Folly? The PAYgasus sham.

Maybe I'll bet $10 for fun on Sharp Azteca to see if Navarro is able to say FU to the racing establishment.

I'll wait till Sunday, put a couple hundred in on the mandatory distribution of the Rainbow 6 and scoop up all that dumb-peoples money that's been accumulating for months?

None of it, not even 20-cents of it mine.

The other Stronach gimmick to take money out of circulation daily. Thanks Frank for suckering so many fools into discarding their money every day.

I've already done it twice in the last 5 years, once for 4K and once for 12K. Never have I spent more than $256. Spent $160 for the 12K.

Otherwise, Gulfstream sucks for too many reasons to bother repeating.

Hope you enjoy yourself and contribute to my paydays.

Fager Fan 01-25-2018 06:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Denny (Post 2266064)
Fager Fan,

Why would I want to waste more than a couple of bucks on Frank's Faulty Folly? The PAYgasus sham.

Maybe I'll bet $10 for fun on Sharp Azteca to see if Navarro is able to say FU to the racing establishment.

I'll wait till Sunday, put a couple hundred in on the mandatory distribution of the Rainbow 6 and scoop up all that dumb-peoples money that's been accumulating for months?

None of it, not even 20-cents of it mine.

The other Stronach gimmick to take money out of circulation daily. Thanks Frank for suckering so many fools into discarding their money every day.

I've already done it twice in the last 5 years, once for 4K and once for 12K. Never have I spent more than $256. Spent $160 for the 12K.

Otherwise, Gulfstream sucks for too many reasons to bother repeating.

Hope you enjoy yourself and contribute to my paydays.

You sound like someone who wants Navarro to say FU. Which tells me all I need about you.

You've got plenty of other tracks to play, so go play 'em. No one cares.

Tom 01-27-2018 05:33 PM

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Let me ask a dumb question.....

They have a second finishline for 8.5 furlong races.
Why no start the 9.0 furlong races at that point, and end them there?

Same stretch as the 8,5 and a fair start for the 9.0??

I am assuming these are the two finish lines?

cj 01-27-2018 05:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Tom (Post 2267513)
Let me ask a dumb question.....

They have a second finishline for 8.5 furlong races.
Why no start the 9.0 furlong races at that point, and end them there?

Same stretch as the 8,5 and a fair start for the 9.0??

I am assuming these are the two finish lines?

Probably silly, but I'd guess Trakus was never set up for that configuration.


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