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Driver8 02-20-2018 03:49 PM

Deep closers
 
Off the top of your head do any of you follow some current horses that come from the back of the pack? Four Leaf Chief is one I can think of.

Afleet 02-20-2018 08:14 PM

watch the Razorback and Southwest

Tom 02-20-2018 09:36 PM

Most depp closers don't win races, they inherit them.
The have no control over their destiny and have to rely on those up front going too fast.

CincyHorseplayer 02-20-2018 09:45 PM

Best way to evaluate is best finish vs fastest pace. Some closers vs a fast pace get stranded at the drive in. Labeled a fool.

GMB@BP 02-21-2018 07:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tom (Post 2280000)
Most depp closers don't win races, they inherit them.
The have no control over their destiny and have to rely on those up front going too fast.

:ThmbUp: Cant really say it better.

Also they are notoriously overbet.

Useful to me in verticals as Tri Keys underneath.

A horse that comes from way back, that can crack any pace scenario, is very very rare. I can only think of 1 or 2 in my lifetime.

ultracapper 02-21-2018 01:54 PM

Megahertz

GMB@BP 02-21-2018 01:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ultracapper (Post 2280168)
Megahertz

turf is a different animal

ultracapper 02-21-2018 01:57 PM

Too true.

biggestal99 02-21-2018 02:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GMB@BP (Post 2280081)
:ThmbUp: Cant really say it better.

Also they are notoriously overbet.

Useful to me in verticals as Tri Keys underneath.

A horse that comes from way back, that can crack any pace scenario, is very very rare. I can only think of 1 or 2 in my lifetime.

Zenyatta and Forego.

Fast. slow. didn't matter.

Allan

lex 02-21-2018 02:41 PM

No current ones but my favorite Evening Attire was pretty good at it. Even left the gate late to give them a head start. :)

Dave Schwartz 02-21-2018 02:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tom (Post 2280000)
Most depp closers don't win races, they inherit them.
The have no control over their destiny and have to rely on those up front going too fast.


THIS^^^^:ThmbUp::ThmbUp:
Tom,

That is precisely what I have found.

cj 02-21-2018 09:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dave Schwartz (Post 2280208)
THIS^^^^:ThmbUp::ThmbUp:
Tom,

That is precisely what I have found.

I'll piggyback on this with a slightly different take. When deep closers win, the pace also is usually fast or even very fast. Those pace scenarios tend to lead to the fastest final times. So not only do they inherit the wins, they do so in a way that tends to give them inflated speed figures.

You can say any type horse runs its best races when it gets the best trips of course. But only with closers does the best set up also usually ensure a fast final time, something that is highly factored in to the betting odds in this country.

PhantomOnTour 02-22-2018 01:51 AM

All this deep closer talk reminded me of one of my favorites from about 15-20yrs ago...

Chindi

JustRalph 02-22-2018 12:59 PM

I once found that the ones that did win from time to time were helped by having an inside post or a very wide one.

Tom said it all

ultracapper 02-22-2018 01:05 PM

From an entertainment standpoint, however, there is nothing more exciting to the casual fan than a horse that comes from outer space to gobble them up. The buzz on the apron after a race like that is always fun.


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