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JustRalph 08-02-2021 01:26 PM

Understand now? Vaccine hesitancy
 

Marshall Bennett 08-02-2021 02:20 PM

I can't trust the crooked bastards now in charge. Until there's a better moral character to the people distributing a vaccine ( or anything else for that matter) I'll take care of myself and screw them.
They are the root cause of the virus, now they want to serve us an antidote.
Good luck with that.

Jeff P 08-02-2021 02:46 PM

Is there even one topic global elites on the left haven't been outright GASLIGHTING us about since (I don't know) the runup to Brexit?

I'm asking for a friend. :rolleyes:


-jp

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Elkchester Road 08-02-2021 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Marshall Bennett (Post 2742935)
I can't trust the crooked bastards now in charge. Until there's a better moral character to the people distributing a vaccine ( or anything else for that matter) I'll take care of myself and screw them.
They are the root cause of the virus, now they want to serve us an antidote.
Good luck with that.

Excellent, excellent point, Marshall Bennett.

They...are...the...root...cause...of...the...Virus .

Elkchester Road 08-02-2021 02:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jeff P (Post 2742941)
Is there even one topic global elites on the left haven't been outright GASLIGHTING us about since (I don't know) the runup to Brexit?

I'm asking for a friend. :rolleyes:


-jp

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Good point Jeff. :ThmbUp::ThmbUp::ThmbUp:

46zilzal 08-02-2021 04:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Marshall Bennett (Post 2742935)
I can't trust the crooked bastards now in charge. Until there's a better moral character to the people distributing a vaccine ( or anything else for that matter) I'll take care of myself and screw them.
They are the root cause of the virus, now they want to serve us an antidote.
Good luck with that.

One of the most IGNORANT statements ever placed on this site

Go around unvaccinated and you have an enormous chance of getting sick

jimmyb 08-02-2021 04:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 46zilzal (Post 2742964)
One of the most IGNORANT statements ever placed on this site

Go around unvaccinated and you have an enormous chance of getting sick


I understand Marshalls point. It's hard to trust the powers that be when the protocols keep changing. We also have vaccinated people with breakthrough virus.



It's the unknown long term side effects of the vaccine and the vaccinated still getting sick that has me worried. I have been vaccinated BTW

PaceAdvantage 08-02-2021 06:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JustRalph (Post 2742925)

Agree. Thanks for posting it.

And it's not really all that long...

Marshall Bennett 08-02-2021 07:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 46zilzal (Post 2742964)
One of the most IGNORANT statements ever placed on this site

Go around unvaccinated and you have an enormous chance of getting sick

I actually believe I had a mild case, ran a fever 100-103) for a few days and basically went thru maybe half the symptoms. I wasn't about to be hospitalized and I didn't want my doctor (a really cool guy) insisting I be vaccinated. Also, I'm not around many people, and am careful when I get groceries.
As for most IGNORANT post...you and mosty post far worse on nearly a daily basis. Anyway, what the far-left finds ignorant doesn't effect the overall score of the average human being.
Your people are freakin all ignorant!!

fast4522 08-02-2021 07:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Marshall Bennett (Post 2742935)
I can't trust the crooked bastards now in charge. Until there's a better moral character to the people distributing a vaccine ( or anything else for that matter) I'll take care of myself and screw them.
They are the root cause of the virus, now they want to serve us an antidote.
Good luck with that.

I can go with all that, but I think some are really not taking a big risk depending on age and other factors considering to take the vaccines. Generally speaking I do not flu shot at all in the last 10+ years, my doctor near my age does not either and we had a interesting conversation on that. So I think the Covid-19 shots are just that and it is a reasonable expectation not really anything extra. Once Covid-19 shots become a product to be outsourced to lower cost regions I am not going to be a recipient. These vaccines were done in record time with good intentions, this administration did everything to bungle the rollout and is still shooting itself in the feet.

mostpost 08-02-2021 08:20 PM

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Originally Posted by JustRalph (Post 2742925)

Long, but very dumb thread. Every single post in that thread is by the same person. Brexit passed after the polls said it wouldn’t. All that proves is polls can be wrong.
Hillary lost when polls said she would win. 1. Hillary was a terrible candidate. 2. Trump colluded with Russia. 3. Hillary got three million more votes than Trump and only lost because of our antiquated election system.

Fake news about George Floyd. Fake news about what Kamala Harris said about vaccines. Fake news about the Mueller Report.

No connection between any of the above and getting vaccinated.

mostpost 08-02-2021 08:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 46zilzal (Post 2742964)
One of the most IGNORANT statements ever placed on this site

Go around unvaccinated and you have an enormous chance of getting sick

Not surprising considering the author.

AndyC 08-02-2021 08:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mostpost (Post 2743000)
Long, but very dumb thread. Every single post in that thread is by the same person. Brexit passed after the polls said it wouldn’t. All that proves is polls can be wrong.
Hillary lost when polls said she would win. 1. Hillary was a terrible candidate. 2. Trump colluded with Russia. 3. Hillary got three million more votes than Trump and only lost because of our antiquated election system.

Fake news about George Floyd. Fake news about what Kamala Harris said about vaccines. Fake news about the Mueller Report.

No connection between any of the above and getting vaccinated.


Are you really this obtuse?


The connection is that what we have been fed through the mainstream media and by politicians has been wrong so often that a reasonable person would not or should not believe much about what is being dished out about Covid 19 and vaccinations.

Jeff P 08-02-2021 08:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 46zilzal (Post 2742964)
One of the most IGNORANT statements ever placed on this site

Go around unvaccinated and you have an enormous chance of getting sick

Healthy people with no comorbitities have an enormous chance of recovering.

There's also a thing called natural immunity afterwards.



Op-Ed: Quit Ignoring Natural COVID Immunity:
https://www.medpagetoday.com/infecti.../covid19/92836

Quote:

— Antibody testing and proof of prior infection can allow more people to return to normal

by Jeffrey Klausner, MD, MPH, and Noah Kojima, MD May 28, 2021

Earlier this month the World Health Organization released a scientific update stating that most people who have recovered from COVID-19 develop a strong protective immune response. Importantly, they summarize that within 4 weeks of infection, 90% to 99% of people who recover from COVID-19 develop detectable neutralizing antibodies. Furthermore, they conclude -- given the limited amount of time to observe cases -- that the immune response remains strong for at least 6 to 8 months after infection.

This update echoes what the NIH reported in January 2021: The immune response of more than 95% of people who recovered from COVID-19 had durable memories of the virus up to 8 months after infection. The NIH went further to state that those findings "provide hope" that people who get vaccinated will develop similar lasting immunity.

So why are we so focused on vaccine-induced immunity -- in our goals to reach herd immunity, our gatekeeping on travel, public or private events, or mask use -- while ignoring natural immunity? Shouldn't those who have natural immunity also be able to return to "normal" activities?

Numerous scientists have found that there is a decreased risk of re-infection and extremely low rates of hospitalization and death due to repeat infection. The range of reduction of re-infection from COVID-19 was between 82% to 95% among six studies that encompassed nearly 1 million people conducted in the U.S., the U.K., Denmark, Austria, Qatar, and among U.S. Marines. The study in Austria also found that the frequency of re-infection from COVID-19 caused hospitalization in only five out of 14,840 (0.03%) people and death in one out of 14,840 (0.01%).


-jp

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boxcar 08-02-2021 09:19 PM

[QUOTE=Jeff P;2743005]Healthy people with no comorbitities have an enormous chance of recovering.

There's also a thing called natural immunity afterwards.



Op-Ed: Quit Ignoring Natural COVID Immunity:
https://www.medpagetoday.com/infecti.../covid19/92836

Thanks to whistleblower, we know WHO declared several months ago that basically there's no longer such an animal, any longer, as "herd immunity". :rolleyes:


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