Mandatory Jackpot Pick 5 payout at Laurel

[Vinman]

Yesterday I called Laurel mutuels and spoke to a woman named Mary, who confirmed that Laurel will make a mandatory payout of their 50 cent Jackpot Pick 5 pool on 12/31, the final day of their Fall meet.

Even though racing at Laurel continues uninterrupted into 2013, that is considered the beginning of a new meet and the Pick 5 pool will restart from scratch as of 1/1/13.

In case anyone is wondering whether Gulfstream will make a mandatory payout of their dime Rainbow 6 pool on their final racing day of 2012, they will not. As I suspected, I was told that they are running a single, continuous meet through to April and will not be paying out the pool on the last racing day of the year.

Vinman

[Jens]

Thanks for the info:ThmbUp:

[1st time lasix]

i will play it then if not hit before the manditory day

[tophorse1145]

Wow..that looks really amazing. thanks for sharing the information.

[Vinman]

The Jackpot Pick 5 carryover following today's card at Laurel was $85,023, an increase of nearly $10,000 over Thursday's carryover of $75,384.

With six racing dates left in 2012, it looks like the carryover going into the 12/31 card could top $150,000.


Vinman

[Stillriledup]

With 10 MTP for today's finale at Laurel, there's ONE horse alive for the jackpot payout of 102k.

I dont think there's a need to worry, this horse is futile to say the least. #5 Smooth Aster is the 'alive' runner.

[Stillriledup]

Utoh guys, two big bombers win the first 2 legs of this pick 5 today....we need to survive this somehow, im concerned. :eek:

[Stillriledup]

oh god someone is alive for 100k with the favorite in the finale at Laurel.

Say goodbye to this carryover.

[alhattab]

That sucks. Was hit for $107k.

[Stillriledup]

Tough beat, this winner cost Laurel a few hundred grand in handle on mandatory, they would have handled 500k on this bet if they carried into dec 31 (pool would have been 150-200 if it went unhit to the end of the year).

Tough break.

I only remember one time where there was a big 'jackpot' carryover in these types of bets at mandatory time, that was a gulfstream pick 6 a year or year and a half ago.

Tracks should make 'mandatory' payouts on these bets at the end of the month and not at the end of the meet....that way, tracks with 3 and 4 month meets can have a few mandatorys and not just pray that there's a huge C/O on the final day.

[Vinman]

It is unfortunate that there couldn't have been two winning tix instead of just one. But even with a very modest two day carryover, this P5 bet still might be worth playing on closing day because of the spike in handle associated with the mandatory payout on 12/31.

Vinman

[Stillriledup]

It is unfortunate that there couldn't have been two winning tix instead of just one. But even with a very modest two day carryover, this P5 bet still might be worth playing on closing day because of the spike in handle associated with the mandatory payout on 12/31.

Vinman

There could also be a 20 or 30 k carryover to boot. I agree, its a good bet.There's 2 days before closing day, so, maybe the good GP can stick 10 or 20 grand into this and have it waiting for me on the 31st...that would be nice.

[Vinman]

Today's "starting from scratch" Jackpot Pick 5 carryover of $1,548 tells you everything you need to know as to why Laurel runs it as a Jackpot style wager as opposed to the standard garden variety Pick 5.

Vinman

[Stillriledup]

Today's "starting from scratch" Jackpot Pick 5 carryover of $1,548 tells you everything you need to know as to why the run it as a Jackpot style wager as opposed to the standard Pick 5.

Vinman


Oh geez, i was hoping the public was 'dumb and dumber' but even the idiots are smart these days. :bang:

[Saratoga_Mike]

Do the same rules apply this yr? Mandatory payout on 12/31?

[Vinman]

Do the same rules apply this yr? Mandatory payout on 12/31?

I called Laurel mutuels after the 8th race today and spoke to a guy named Tim, who confirmed that this coming Tuesday, 12/31, is a mandatory payout for their Jackpot Pick 5. No racing until Tuesday, so the entire carryover pool of just under $175,000 will be in play.

Anyone taking a shot?


Vinman

[Saratoga_Mike]

I called Laurel mutuels after the 8th race today and spoke to a guy named Tim, who confirmed that this coming Tuesday, 12/31, is a mandatory payout for their Jackpot Pick 5. No racing until Tuesday, so the entire carryover pool of just under $175,000 will be in play.

Anyone taking a shot?


Vinman

Thank you very much for calling and yes.

[Stillriledup]

I called Laurel mutuels after the 8th race today and spoke to a guy named Tim, who confirmed that this coming Tuesday, 12/31, is a mandatory payout for their Jackpot Pick 5. No racing until Tuesday, so the entire carryover pool of just under $175,000 will be in play.

Anyone taking a shot?


Vinman

We're all taking a shot. All of us. Every last one of us. :ThmbUp:

For all we have.

Get cappin boys and Girls.

[wiffleball whizz]

We as a group have to be brain dead if we don't get down

Swoop in like vultures at the dead money none of us put a dime into

[Pensacola Pete]

I wonder how they'd handle it if they were forced to cancel racing that day.

[tanner12oz]

I'm gonna throw a ticket together..sequence looks crappy at first glance couple short fields with short prices

[wiffleball whizz]

I wonder how they'd handle it if they were forced to cancel racing that day.


Wow that's a great question

[rrpic6]

I wonder how they'd handle it if they were forced to cancel racing that day.
Play "ALL" in the 1st leg just in case they cancel after that race. Guarantees a piece of the pie.

RR

[jdhanover]

forecast is 43 and partly cloudy per weather.com.

not so nice later in the week there

[Saratoga_Mike]

Race 5 - I really like Tony Dutrow's firster. Dutrow is much better 2nd lifetime start, but this horse has been working like a monster at Fairhill (granted many of the works are over the woodchips, but that track has tight turns, making the works all that much more impressive). Note he outworked his stable mate by a full second on 12/24. Typically, I'd say bet against this type (i.e., well-bet firster against some talented, experienced ones), but I think this horses gets the job done.

[Stillriledup]

Race 5 - I really like Tony Dutrow's firster. Dutrow is much better 2nd lifetime start, but this horse has been working like a monster at Fairhill (granted many of the works are over the woodchips, but that track has tight turns, making the works all that much more impressive). Note he outworked his stable mate by a full second on 12/24. Typically, I'd say bet against this type (i.e., well-bet firster against some talented, experienced ones), but I think this horses gets the job done.

"Working like a monster"

What have you heard?

[Just a Fan]

You know, this is a classic example of horse racing's failure to market itself. Here we have a unique wagering opportunity.... a 6 figure jackpot that must be paid out today. There is no mention of the mandatory payout on the track's website. The track's Twitter and Facebook pages show nothing of consequence, and Laurel's racing analyst Gabby Gaudet's twitter page doesn't mention today's pool either.

I don't follow Laurel, maybe their daily simulcast has been promoting today's pick 5, but the only way I know about the pick 5 situation is because a board member here actually called the track, and took the time to promote the forced payout himself. I know everyone thinks horse racing suffers from a failure to market itself to new fans, but I think the tracks need to realize that they are competing against each other for the gambling dollar... they need to do a better job promoting themselves to the fans that they have a clear opportunity to draw from... horse bettors!

[Pensacola Pete]

You know, this is a classic example of horse racing's failure to market itself. Here we have a unique wagering opportunity.... a 6 figure jackpot that must be paid out today. There is no mention of the mandatory payout on the track's website.

It's on the site. http://www.laurelpark.com/handicapping/pick-5-jackpot

Race 5 - I really like Tony Dutrow's firster.

I don't like Decisive Edge at all. They paid $650,000 for him at the F-T sale in March, and they passed up all of the lucrative 2yo money. Why? The horse must have problems. Now they're taking this expensive horse and starting him in the dead of winter at Laurel. Why not Florida or Fair Grounds? To make it worse, Dutrow is entering him at a mile instead of a shorter distance. The only plus is that he did put Cintron on the horse.

[Stillriledup]

It's on the site. http://www.laurelpark.com/handicapping/pick-5-jackpot



I don't like Decisive Edge at all. They paid $650,000 for him at the F-T sale in March, and they passed up all of the lucrative 2yo money. Why? The horse must have problems. Now they're taking this expensive horse and starting him in the dead of winter at Laurel. Why not Florida or Fair Grounds? To make it worse, Dutrow is entering him at a mile instead of a shorter distance. The only plus is that he did put Cintron on the horse.

It appears that he outworked Fire Starter in company, but Fire Starter appears to be a "headcase" maybe the work was done by design to train fire Starter to track behind another horse?

You make interesting points, for a fancy horse, why start in the winter at Laurel. Would help to know the owners, for all we know, they're lifelong Laurel residents who dreamed of one day winning a race at Laurel Park. :D

[Saratoga_Mike]

It appears that he outworked Fire Starter in company, but Fire Starter appears to be a "headcase" maybe the work was done by design to train fire Starter to track behind another horse?

You make interesting points, for a fancy horse, why start in the winter at Laurel. Would help to know the owners, for all we know, they're lifelong Laurel residents who dreamed of one day winning a race at Laurel Park. :D

View hip #93

http://www.fasigtipton.com/fasig-tiptontv/index.asp?t=1&year=2013&show=3

I'm almost certain the owners aren't from LRL or even MD.

[Stillriledup]

View hip #93

http://www.fasigtipton.com/fasig-tiptontv/index.asp?t=1&year=2013&show=3

I'm almost certain the owners aren't from LRL or even MD.

Thank you Michael. :ThmbUp:

[Saratoga_Mike]

I don't like Decisive Edge at all. They paid $650,000 for him at the F-T sale in March, and they passed up all of the lucrative 2yo money. Why? The horse must have problems. Now they're taking this expensive horse and starting him in the dead of winter at Laurel. Why not Florida or Fair Grounds? To make it worse, Dutrow is entering him at a mile instead of a shorter distance. The only plus is that he did put Cintron on the horse.

Good call - he works better than he races.

[Stillriledup]

237,005 'live tickets"

does that mean there's 237k "fitty cent" tickets out of 954,000 live fitty cent tickets to start (meaning 717k tickets got knocked out in leg 1?)

[Vinman]

Just got a call back from Mary in the Laurel mutuels dept. with the final P5 pool figures.

They bet $477,000 into it today. This combined with the $175,000 jackpot carryover brings the total pool to $652,000+

I told Mary I would post the numbers here on PA and that everyone here gives her a big thank you.

My $588 A/B format play is still breathing after leg 1 and will also survive leg 2. Then the fun really starts.


Vinman

[Robert Fischer]

I actually like the 2 here better than the 1.
Great claim by Dale Capuano and speed can carry. The 1 was mugged last time, but I just like the 2 better here. And the 4 could plod up 3rd or 4th. However the 5 was born to run 9f against this type of competition.

[Robert Fischer]

that should juice up the payout a little

[Vinman]

52,092 live tix after race 6.

[Stillriledup]

52,092 live tix after race 6.

Thanks i missed that.

[Stillriledup]

Oh that stinks, crud 2-1 shot wins leg 3.

[tanner12oz]

Chalkfest at laurel

[Vinman]

12,633 live tix going into race 8.

[Bettowin]

This thing might just pay about $300 for 5 of 5

[Pensacola Pete]

Good call - he works better than he races.

Decisive Edge may be a good horse. He was green out of the gate, allowed to settle, wast urged along until the far turn, was asked a little until stretch, and then urged along thereafter. He was green in the stretch, too. In other words, the horse was galloped for 5 furlongs, asked to pick it up a little until the straightaway, and given about a 3/16 mile hard workout. He came from 18 lengths out of it at the 5/16th to almost get third. The horse should have had to race "for purse only," because he was never being sent. My database shows that Dutrow is horrible with firsters going a route, although Laurel's mile is a one-turn. When he didn't get pounded in the pool, that was another clue.

[Saratoga_Mike]

Decisive Edge may be a good horse. He was green out of the gate, allowed to settle, wast urged along until the far turn, was asked a little until stretch, and then urged along thereafter. He was green in the stretch, too. In other words, the horse was galloped for 5 furlongs, asked to pick it up a little until the straightaway, and given about a 3/16 mile hard workout. He came from 18 lengths out of it at the 5/16th to almost get third. The horse should have had to race "for purse only," because he was never being sent. My database shows that Dutrow is horrible with firsters going a route, although Laurel's mile is a one-turn. When he didn't get pounded in the pool, that was another clue.

yeah, he's only 5% with firsters going long - violated one of my betting rules with this one....oh well.

[Robert Fischer]

brown rice...

may be dinner for a lot of jackpot players tonight.

[Stillriledup]

brown rice...

:bang:

[Bettowin]

Shit! I did key the 3 in the first two spots and hit the super so it did work out in a roundabout way:)

[Vinman]

The P5 will pays per BRIS Supertote.....for a BUCK....so cut these prices in half:

1 $15,654.50

3 $25,249.20

4 $4,953.90

5 $5,590.80

7 $3,781.20

8 $6,806.30

Congrads to those who sniffed out Brown Rice. I didn't : (

Vinman

[Robert Fischer]

Congrads to those who sniffed out Brown Rice. I didn't : (


chaos players and big brown lovers having a HAPPY New Years

race 9
Do not like the 8 Maddy Punch at all. I can't see how this horse is getting bet.

:7: All About Style actually ran a good race last time at Woodbine, and may move up here today.

:5: Seventh Ruler is kind of a plain jane filly, but these solid one-paced runners have done well today. This horse can settle and run a relatively classy race.

:4: am not crazy about this one. Really needs the stretch-out to put into a dream position today in order to overcome other things.

[Stillriledup]

Im looking at this cruddy 3, blinkers on, the trainer had a winner earlier on the card, you never know, this thing was bet hard as a first time starter... and this Keiser is hot hot hot.

[Robert Fischer]

The 3 could get brave. SRU.
I think the 7 romps here.

I don't like the 5 at all. had it confused w/ another horse.



:5: Seventh Ruler is kind of a plain jane filly, but these solid one-paced runners have done well today....

[Stillriledup]

chaos players and big brown lovers having a HAPPY New Years

race 9
Do not like the 8 Maddy Punch at all. I can't see how this horse is getting bet.

:7: All About Style actually ran a good race last time at Woodbine, and may move up here today.

:5: Seventh Ruler is kind of a plain jane filly, but these solid one-paced runners have done well today. This horse can settle and run a relatively classy race.

:4: am not crazy about this one. Really needs the stretch-out to put into a dream position today in order to overcome other things.

Maybe they're betting 2nd time blinkers and also betting the idea that she will be the filly who is last down the backstretch...so, when this group hits a wall, she may be the only one left standing. They may be betting her "Style" and thinking that her one move from far back style might be the winning move here.

[Robert Fischer]

i don't believe that 5 came up to split my main exacta :D

[Stillriledup]

i don't believe that 5 came up to split my main exacta :D
That was an amazing pick 5 price all things considered.

I was disappointed that the 6, 7 and the chalks didnt run a lick in leg 4, that 6 horse who was 12-1 ML looked like she had some talent first time out and was nowhere today. The 7 also seemed to have a little more in the tank at Penn Nat, but she couldnt run a step either.

[Robert Fischer]

That was an amazing pick 5 price all things considered.

I was disappointed that the 6, 7 and the chalks didnt run a lick in leg 4, that 6 horse who was 12-1 ML looked like she had some talent first time out and was nowhere today. The 7 also seemed to have a little more in the tank at Penn Nat, but she couldnt run a step either.

4 out of the 5 races were won by the top2 choices, so it wasn't a bad 50cent payout ($1367).

Leg 4 was definitely a tough leg, and I also thought leg 2, the 6th race, would have been a walk-over for Junebugred.

[Saratoga_Mike]

4 out of the 5 races were won by the top2 choices, so it wasn't a bad 50cent payout ($1367).

Leg 4 was definitely a tough leg, and I also thought leg 2, the 6th race, would have been a walk-over for Junebugred.

The stated payout of $5,468.50 was based on a $1 wager, so the 50 cent payout was $2,734.25, or 550%+ of the parlay value ($490.98 on a 50-cent bet). I didn't hit, but these mandatory rainbows seem to offer tremendous value (true at GP over the past few yrs).