Proud of their ignorance....

[Tom]

The mentally-challenged Obama-press is trying to paint the republicans as evil people for going after a "po black woman" to keep her from getting appointed as SOS, even though she is fully qualified. If by qualified, they mean she lies through her teeth and never blinks, yes, she has proven she can do that.

But the Po black woman part........I got two words for you, Annnnnnnndrea Mitchel, NBC news.... Condy Rice.


You bimbo. :lol:

[HUSKER55]

MAYBE she doesn't want to go to Benghazi to negotiate with BO in charge. Self preservation is a powerful motivational tool and that does not sound conducive to one's well being, does it? :D

[thaskalos]

The mentally-challenged Obama-press is trying to paint the republicans as evil people for going after a "po black woman" to keep her from getting appointed as SOS, even though she is fully qualified. If by qualified, they mean she lies through her teeth and never blinks, yes, she has proven she can do that.

But the Po black woman part........I got two words for you, Annnnnnnndrea Mitchel, NBC news.... Condy Rice.


You bimbo. :lol:

Speaking of lying...

http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2012/12/12/romney_wins_lie_of_the_year_gop_jeep_ad_named_bigg est_lie_by_politifact.html

[Tom]

You mean the part where your site denies the existence of death panels, which have been proven to exist? Yes, a lie for sure.

Surely you did not mean to try to compare a political ad that may or not be true, as you did not supply any evidence, with a clearly fabricated political lie perpetrated by the media as news.


Did you?

[thaskalos]

You mean the part where your site denies the existence of death panels, which have been proven to exist? Yes, a lie for sure.

Surely you did not mean to try to compare a political ad that may or not be true, as you did not supply any evidence, with a clearly fabricated political lie perpetrated by the media as news.


Did you?

No.

You mentioned lying through one's teeth...and I was just reminded of what was regarded as the biggest political lie of the year...that's all.

I only meant to show that lying is not the exclusive domain of the Dems...nothing more than that.

[Tom]

Apple, meet Orange.

[Robert Goren]

You mean the part where your site denies the existence of death panels, which have been proven to exist? Yes, a lie for sure.

Surely you did not mean to try to compare a political ad that may or not be true, as you did not supply any evidence, with a clearly fabricated political lie perpetrated by the media as news.


Did you?Death panels only exist in the minds of people of a few conservatives. There is high correlation between the people who believe Obama is not a US citizen and people who believe in death panels as part of Obama care. The real death panel are employees of insurance companies who decide who get what and who doesn't. They hide behind the term experimental drug or procedure.

[Tom]

Death panels only exist in the minds of people of a few conservatives. There is high correlation between the people who believe Obama is not a US citizen and people who believe in death panels as part of Obama care. The real death panel are employees of insurance companies who decide who get what and who doesn't. They hide behind the term experimental drug or procedure.

So which is it, Bobby - they do or they don't exist. You say both here. Make up your mind. :lol:

http://www.usnews.com/opinion/articles/2012/12/10/the-truth-behind-obamacares-death-panels

While the term "death panels" certainly takes it to an extreme, Americans should be aware of how government's increased involvement in the provision of health treatments—and their understandable desire to control rising healthcare costs—will impact the availability of some medical care, and is already doing so. Moreover, experience suggests that Americans can expect decisions about best practices will be made not only with an eye toward keeping down costs, but also toward politics.

[TJDave]

You mean the part where your site denies the existence of death panels, which have been proven to exist?

Where...and how does one join?

I'd be good at that.

[Robert Goren]

Tom, the source you quote is clearly marked as "Opinion" in very consevative magazine. You are going have to better than that source.

[Robert Goren]

So which is it, Bobby - they do or they don't exist. You say both here. Make up your mind. :lol:

http://www.usnews.com/opinion/articles/2012/12/10/the-truth-behind-obamacares-death-panels They exist, but are not government panel as the right would have you believe. The private insurance companies have had them for many years long before Obama care.

[Tom]

No, they are a government panel now. Read the bill.

[dartman51]

They exist, but are not government panel as the right would have you believe. The private insurance companies have had them for many years long before Obama care.


Look up "INDEPENDENT PAYMENT ADVISORY BOARD", in the health care bill. They are in charge of keeping cost down. :ThmbUp:

[fast4522]

I do not want to read the bill, I would prefer that he who is a citizen and paid into the system gets the knife if he needs it. It does not matter to me if 25 or 70, and those who are not a citizen just get Tylenol and a cab ride home.

[Tom]

Look up "INDEPENDENT PAYMENT ADVISORY BOARD", in the health care bill. They are in charge of keeping cost down. :ThmbUp:

Thanks you!
That was what I was trying to remember.
Death Panel just rolls off the tongue so much easier......

[hcap]

Thanks you!
That was what I was trying to remember.
Death Panel just rolls off the tongue so much easier......
Also fills an empty brain with much less fuss and muss :cool:

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2012/oct/04/mitt-romney/romney-says-ipab-board-can-tell-people-ultimately-/

http://static.politifact.com.s3.amazonaws.com/rulings%2Ftom-mostlyfalse.gif

[dartman51]

This from the article you posted.


But the board wouldn't make any health care decisions for individual Americans. Instead, as PolitiFact Georgia reported, it would make broad policy decisions that affect Medicare's overall cost.

They don't have to single out individuals. If they decide that a kidney transplant for anyone over 70, is a waste of Medicare money, that is a form of rationing. And don't try to say that it won't happen, because you don't know that. No one does yet. :ThmbUp:

[hcap]

This from the article you posted.


But the board wouldn't make any health care decisions for individual Americans. Instead, as PolitiFact Georgia reported, it would make broad policy decisions that affect Medicare's overall cost.

They don't have to single out individuals. If they decide that a kidney transplant for anyone over 70, is a waste of Medicare money, that is a form of rationing. And don't try to say that it won't happen, because you don't know that. No one does yet. :ThmbUp:The entire government makes broad policy decisions that affect (fill in department blank______ ) overall costs. Starting in congress working it's way down to all sort of appointed agencies, trivial and in matters of life and death.

Dissolving government like your boy Grover wants to do, drowning it in a bathtub is obviously your solution. Death panels are Sarah's dumb shorthand for commies and socialism pushing grandma over the cliff, and you guys buy into that no matter how many times it is shown to be false.

But it will be a marked improvement over insurance companies denying treatment for profit and the bottom line.

[Tom]

How appropriate you post in a thread by this name.
Thank you for your illustration of my point.

[hcap]

How appropriate you post in a thread by this name.
Thank you for your illustration of my point.You originated this thread, and all your posts on it illustrate it's name.

"Proud of my ignorance."

FTFY :cool: Death Panels went out with Sarah Palin, her failed VP candidacy, her pal Joe da Plumber, and your previous stellar Presidential candidate John (I never met a war I didn't like) McCain who also got his ass royally whipped in'08

[Tom]

Still blinded by the hate, huh?
You deny the panel will deny treatments that will mean people will die?
Before you answer, let me say that you have already done so much to prove my point here, don't feel obligated, but hey, it your ignorance, if you need to flaunt it, have at it.:D

[TJDave]

You deny the panel will deny treatments that will mean people will die?


People die.

In a world of finite resources, denying treatment to some means offering it to others.

[Steve R]

Thanks you!
That was what I was trying to remember.
Death Panel just rolls off the tongue so much easier......
What a load of crap!

"IPAB is tasked with developing specific proposals to bring the net growth in Medicare spending back to target levels if the Medicare Actuary determines that net spending is forecast to exceed target levels, beginning in 2015...The Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) must implement these proposals unless Congress adopts equally effective alternatives." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Independent_Payment_Advisory_Board

IOW, Congress has the final say about any proposals generated by the IPAB, not the board.

The law says "The proposal shall not include any recommendation to ration health care, raise revenues or Medicare beneficiary premiums under section 1818, 1818A, or 1839, increase Medicare beneficiary cost sharing (including deductibles, coinsurance, and co-payments), or otherwise restrict benefits or modify eligibility criteria." - 111 Stat. 490; to be codified at 42 U.S.C. § 1899A(c)(2)(A)(ii).

As Robert Goren has noted, rationing health care, restricting benefits and modifying eligibility are what useless and parasitic private insurance companies do to ensure a profit. Perhaps you can explain exactly what useful role private insurance companies play in controlling health care costs or improving health care quality. Never mind, I'll tell you. NONE!!!

[Tom]

The title of this thread really drew them in!
First hcap, now Stevie Wonder.
We got us a consensus! :lol: