Things get worse for the Chiefs (now gun control)

[Bettowin]

Player commits suicide at their facility after killing GF at a different location. Name not released.

[cj]

Jovan Belcher.

[Shelby]

This is so awful. I can't believe it.

[rastajenk]

How do they play a game a day after that?

[cj]

ESPN reported he thanked the coach and GM for all they had done for him before pulling the trigger. Hard to feel too bad for the guy himself if he did in fact murder his girlfriend.

[JustRalph]

They just had a baby 3 mnths ago

I feel sorry for Crennel. This guy is having a shit year.........

[cj's dad]

Game postponed ????

[horses4courses]

Game postponed ????

No sign, yet, that the game is postponed.

It's been hard enough for the Chiefs to get their heads into games this year.
They can't be expected to show up, either mentally or emotionally, for tomorrow's game.
Having said that, I see no sportsbook, whether in Vegas or offshore, has taken the game off the board.
You'd think someone might show a little respect, no?

Chances are the game goes ahead....... :ThmbDown:

[Greyfox]

Chances are the game goes ahead....... :ThmbDown:

The game should go on, difficult as it may be and as sad as this tragedy is.

It's not as if this guy was killed in a car accident.

Even then, life is for the living.

[cj]

I don't see any way this game should be played. First off, it means nothing right now. Second, the last thing you want is guys playing the brutal game of football with their minds somewhere else.

[horses4courses]

The game should go on, difficult as it may be and as sad as this tragedy is.

It's not as if this guy was killed in a car accident.

Even then, life is for the living.

Why would a car accident make this any different?

I see your point about last minute postponement, though.
Lots more goes into organizing these events than the game itself.
A game which will not be much more than a scrimmage session, imo.

[Stillriledup]

I don't see any way this game should be played. First off, it means nothing right now. Second, the last thing you want is guys playing the brutal game of football with their minds somewhere else.

When Sean Taylor was killed in 2007, the Redskins game went on as planned for what that's worth.

[cj]

When Sean Taylor was killed in 2007, the Redskins game went on as planned for what that's worth.

To me it just means another game was played that shouldn't have been, though I don't remember the details. Wasn't he even not with the team at the time or something odd? Did it happen the day before the game?

[Greyfox]

Why would a car accident make this any different?



The epidemic of suicide hurts many people, particularly family members deeply,
and should not be given reinforcement by a cancellation of life events, IMO.

[cj]

The epidemic of suicide hurts many people, particularly family members deeply,
and should not be given reinforcement by a cancellation of life events, IMO.

This was more than a suicide, he also murdered someone.

[Ocala Mike]

Heard a report that the coach and GM witnessed the guy killing himself; pretty tough it seems to me to have to play a game the next day. Maybe they'll reconsider yet.

[cj]

Heard a report that the coach and GM witnessed the guy killing himself; pretty tough it seems to me to have to play a game the next day. Maybe they'll reconsider yet.

Yes, also a huge factor that should be considered.

[Greyfox]

This was more than a suicide, he also murdered someone.

The death of a suicidal murderer has no reason to be reinforced.

Mourning, obviously, is needed, and perhaps black armbands are appropriate.

I've coached highly competitive sports teams at National Levels, I would expect and hope, the players to try to play on even so, and the event to keep going, even if I dropped dead of a heart attack independent of that fact, and unfortunate as it may be.

Life is is for the living.

[cj]

The death of a suicidal murderer has no reason to be reinforced.

Mourning, obviously, is needed, and perhaps black armbands are appropriate.

I've coached highly competitive sports teams at National Levels, I would expect and hope, the players to try to play on even so, and the event to keep going, even if I dropped dead of a heart attack independent of that fact, and unfortunate as it may be.

Life is is for the living.

Sadly, I don't think your reasoning reflects that of the NFL in the game going on.

[Robert Goren]

Sadly, these murder suicides happen all too often. I'd like to think the NFL/Chiefs were making a statement that they do not condone these actions even when it envolves a member of its team. I don't think that is the case here though. I think it is the policy of the NFL to play come Hell or high water. We saw them play through high water earlier this year. It is now the time to play through Hell. The games must go on almost no what. Only 9/11 stopped them. Even the JFK assassination did not.

[Valuist]

The moment of silence before the game should be for the woman he killed; not for Belcher himself. Moments of silence should not be granted to murderers.

[KingChas]

Honest question,for those of you who think this game should be postponed.

When should the game be made up?
On a Thursday or cancelled completely?
Do you think this deceased player should be honored?..........I dont.

Meaningless game record wise but this isn't high school football.
A death in the family for a working man is usually 4 days off max.
If a co-worker commits suicide you are able to attend the funeral using if approved, unpaid time-off.
And of course postponing this game,affects who?
The working man who purchased the game tickets and travelled.
The bombing of the WTC didn't stop football,the JFK assasination didn't stop football.
But this should..........the world's thinking is changing for sure.

The coach and GM, I am sure are the most traumatized viewing the suicide.

[Tom]

NFL choice.....do the right thing, or take in $$$$$$


duh.

[Stillriledup]

The moment of silence before the game should be for the woman he killed; not for Belcher himself. Moments of silence should not be granted to murderers.

If you want to get technical about it, he's not a convicted murderer according to the courts but i do agree with your comments. Maybe those who held up RIP 59 signs didnt realize the true magnitude of what really happened.

[JustRalph]

If you want to get technical about it, he's not a convicted murderer according to the courts but i do agree with your comments. Maybe those who held up RIP 59 signs didnt realize the true magnitude of what really happened.

They would have to be uninformed dolts.

Btw, the police are looking for Chad Ochocinco

He posted some tweets that made some people think he is about to do himself harm.

A Cleveland Browns employee killed himself yesterday too....weird week

[Stillriledup]

They would have to be uninformed dolts.

Btw, the police are looking for Chad Ochocinco

He posted some tweets that made some people think he is about to do himself harm.

A Cleveland Browns employee killed himself yesterday too....weird week
https://twitter.com/ochocinco

[Marshall Bennett]

https://twitter.com/ochocinco
That's some eerie shit. Either he's clowning around or needs help quick. Good luck with that.

[JustRalph]

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/girlfriend_running_friends_belcher_OGIdPQMQWl3vKf4 Jasj5EP

http://www.nypost.com/rw/nypost/2012/12/02/news/web_photos/120212Belcher11wf171431--300x450.jpg

[cj]

My daughter just did a paper on this for college, and the first thing she said when the news came out was that she would be surprised if he didn't have a history of head injuries. I've always loved football, but I'm sure the Romans loved watching gladiators too.

[Greyfox]

My daughter just did a paper on this for college, and the first thing she said when the news came out was that she would be surprised if he didn't have a history of head injuries. I've always loved football, but I'm sure the Romans loved watching gladiators too.

:ThmbUp: You have a very smart daughter.

Greyfox

[rastajenk]

My first inclination was 'roid rage.

[Valuist]

I'm sure I'm going to take some heat for this, but I think the Chiefs did the right thing playing the game.

First off, Chief team captains and Crennel voted unanimously to play the game. This is the most important point because it tells me they were mentally ready to play, and could even use it as a rallying point.

Secondly, there's the matter how Belcher died. This wasn't Nick Adenhart getting killed by a drunk driver, or Darryl Kyle suffering a massive heart attack, or Corie Stringer suffering heat stroke. None of them chose to die. Belcher did, just as he chose to kill his girlfriend. He was not a victim.

[Valuist]

If you want to get technical about it, he's not a convicted murderer according to the courts but i do agree with your comments. Maybe those who held up RIP 59 signs didnt realize the true magnitude of what really happened.

I understand they did have a moment of silence, and it was NOT for Belcher but for victims of domestic violence.

[KingChas]

NBC's -Bob Costas
Nothing like hijacking a good Sunday Nite football game at halftime with ones own political views.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uOi7If0zW9s

[Robert Goren]

NBC's -Bob Costas
Nothing like hijacking a good Sunday Nite football game at halftime with ones own political views.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uOi7If0zW9s He has a point. There far too many murder-suicides in domestic situations. A lot (if not most)involving guns. The pro-gun people if they are to remain creditable must start to help to come up with ways to lessen those numbers. Far too long they have ignored the damage that some people who use a gun bring this country. It is not enough to have a moment of silence for the victim. They(and the rest of us) must figure out a way to stop having so many victims. What good does it do to just blame the killer and move on without doing anything? Just saying something about strapping a gun on every woman out there isn't the answer.

[cj's dad]

WITH KNIFE.

Guns don't kill people, people kill people.

Link:

http://articles.philly.com/2012-08-22/news/33322903_1_abuse-or-neglect-decapitates-dispatcher

[Valuist]

Interesting twist to the Belcher story. Apparently the woman who was killed was a cousin of Jamaal Charles, who fixed them up.

[JustRalph]

Hey Goren, you better expand your ill timed screed to include bow and arrows.

Did u forget this from last week?

http://tdn.com/news/national/sharp-edged-weapon-used-in-two-killings-suicide-in-casper/article_f29e0f18-3b37-11e2-bc31-001a4bcf887a.html

Btw, do you think this guy couldn't have choked her to death? A linebacker from the NFL ? He could have probably twisted her head off if he wanted.

How people like you and Costas, Whitlock et al can't understand this is beyond me? Do you really think there were no murders before the invention of gunpowder?

[MaTH716]

WITH KNIFE.

Guns don't kill people, people kill people.

Link:

http://articles.philly.com/2012-08-22/news/33322903_1_abuse-or-neglect-decapitates-dispatcher

Stories like this are the reason I stopped reading and watching the news. I rather bury my head in the sand and think things are fine.

[Robert Goren]

Hey Goren, you better expand your ill timed screed to include bow and arrows.

Did u forget this from last week?

http://tdn.com/news/national/sharp-edged-weapon-used-in-two-killings-suicide-in-casper/article_f29e0f18-3b37-11e2-bc31-001a4bcf887a.html

Btw, do you think this guy couldn't have choked her to death? A linebacker from the NFL ? He could have probably twisted her head off if he wanted.

How people like you and Costas, Whitlock et al can't understand this is beyond me? Do you really think there were no murders before the invention of gunpowder?But he didn't. He used a gun. Why do you think that is? Why didn't He just choke her? We all know the answer to that. The gun is surest(and quickest) method of killing somebody. That is why soldiers use guns instead of swords. That is why cops carry guns instead of knives. I sure you understand that.
But that is not point. We need to figure out a way stop violence against women. Like I said having a moment of silence for the victim doesn't do her any good after she is dead. The time act was before she was murdered. Maybe if we kept guns out the hands of nuts, a few less people might end up dead. Too bad the pro-gun people fight any attempt to do that. How many moments of silences do we have to have before we do something? That is the question I ask you, Just Ralph.

[JustRalph]

But he didn't. He used a gun. Why do you think that is? Why didn't He just choke her? We all know the answer to that. The gun is surest(and quickest) method of killing somebody. That is why soldiers use guns instead of swords. That is why cops carry guns instead of knives. I sure you understand that.
But that is not point. We need to figure out a way stop violence against women. Like I said having a moment of silence for the victim doesn't do her any good after she is dead. The time act was before she was murdered. Maybe if we kept guns out the hands of nuts, a few less people might end up dead. Too bad the pro-gun people fight any attempt to do that. How many moments of silences do we have to have before we do something? That is the question I ask you, Just Ralph.

"Pro gun people" ? Really? The NRA ( which I don't belong) has always been for allowing background checks etc. I am doing this from memory, but I believe they have never been against background checks.

Violence against women lectures from you are laughable. I've dealt with it at a rate that is far more than any person wants to know. Not a discussion for this thread.

Btw you better add the Louisville slugger to your list. This just in:

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/staten_island/si_man_busted_in_wife_slay_KqrR9juY1UoAeCCN50zxiJ

[JustRalph]

Jovan Walker info. I wonder if more might start to come out


http://www.schnittshow.com/cc-common/news/sections/newsarticle.html?feed=124415&article=10613083

I wonder if this caller might be a hoax

[Robert Goren]

The NRA supports limited criminal back ground checks. They do not support mental exams before selling someone a gun. That is what is needed. Who knows about this guy, but there has been plenty of people who were sold guns legally that were nuttier than Payday candy bar. Everybody who came in contact with Jared Loughner says they knew he was crazy, yet he was legally able to buy a gun. So was the guy who shot up Fort Hood or the nut who went to a place of worship shooting . And a lot of others too. Just because someone is crazy mean he doesn't mean leaves a paper trail. Then there was the case the tea party governor who pardon murderers on his last day in office. Those guys now can all buy guns legally. The NRA supported back ground checks are a joke. They know that and they don't care. They don't want any real back ground checks.

[cj's dad]

Things are getting weirder and weirder. The latest is that Belcher pulled up on the parking lot and encountered the GM. The Gm saw him brandishing a gun. Belcher asked that he(the GM) call Romeo Cranell and an asst.coach to the parking lot. Hello !!


you are going to endanger two others to a guy with a gun ????

Belcher then killed himself in full view of the 3 on the lot as the police watched.

What a nightmare.

[JustRalph]

The NRA supports limited criminal back ground checks. They do not support mental exams before selling someone a gun. That is what is needed. Who knows about this guy, but there has been plenty of people who were sold guns legally that were nuttier than Payday candy bar. Everybody who came in contact with Jared Loughner says they knew he was crazy, yet he was legally able to buy a gun. So was the guy who shot up Fort Hood or the nut who went to a place of worship shooting . And a lot of others too. Just because someone is crazy mean he doesn't mean leaves a paper trail. Then there was the case the tea party governor who pardon murderers on his last day in office. Those guys now can all buy guns legally. The NRA supported back ground checks are a joke. They know that and they don't care. They don't want any real back ground checks.

Ok. You've jumped the shark I'm done. You really believe someone should submit to a mental exam to buy a gun? Who pays for that? By the way, how about we do that for other constitutional rights? Say, the 1st Amendment?

Sorry Goren, I'm done ........

[Greyfox]

They do not support mental exams before selling someone a gun. That is what is needed.
.

Really? One could be sane today, write the test, pass and be nuts tomorrow. Not a solution.

[cj's dad]

Really? One could be sane today, write the test, pass and be nuts tomorrow. Not a solution.

Well said !!

[Robert Goren]

Really? One could be sane today, write the test, pass and be nuts tomorrow. Not a solution.True enough, but in the cases I mentioned in an earlier post, they were nuts when they bought the gun(s). There is at least 3 nuts that wouldn't got guns and add up how many people would still be alive.

[Greyfox]

True enough, but in the cases I mentioned in an earlier post, they were nuts when they bought the gun(s). There is at least 3 nuts that wouldn't got guns and add up how many people would still be alive.

You mentioned Jarad Loughner and U.S. Military Major Nidal Hassan who was serving as a psychiatrist?

Do you think that the Army psychiatrist wouldn't be able to present a "mask of sanity" to pass a test?

Also, suppose that someone takes a test and is rejected as a possible gun owner, do you think that will stop him or her from getting a gun if they want one.

[Robert Goren]

You mentioned Jarad Loughner and U.S. Military Major Nidal Hassan who was serving as a psychiatrist?

Do you think that the Army psychiatrist wouldn't be able to present a "mask of sanity" to pass a test?

Also, suppose that someone takes a test and is rejected as a possible gun owner, do you think that will stop him or her from getting a gun if they want one. No,you can fake insanity,but I don't think you can fake sanity. Insanity will always show its self. Just as you can fake being dumb, but you can't not fake being smart.
So you think we should legalize felons buying guns just because they can get one illegally?

[Greyfox]

No,you can fake insanity,but I don't think you can fake sanity.

I suggest that you read this old book.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Mask_of_Sanity

[elysiantraveller]

Funny to see this moved... I deleted my previous post because I didn't think it belonged in the sports forum. :)

[johnhannibalsmith]

Do you think that some proposed "psych" exam (however you intend on doing that) would have precluded this football player from owning a weapon? The Major? Do you think needing the exam would have precluded total criminal maniacs like Loughner from obtaining a weapon? These are the sort of political sounding solutions that never actually solve anything, but they sound good to one tier thinkers, especially if you name it something catchy at the signing, like Goren's Law.

[elysiantraveller]

No,you can fake insanity,but I don't think you can fake sanity. Insanity will always show its self. Just as you can fake being dumb, but you can't not fake being smart.
So you think we should legalize felons buying guns just because they can get one illegally?

Now that its moved...

I plan on buying another firearm in the next couple of weeks. What questions should I have to answer in my interview to own it? Will my personal privacy be invaded?

[JustRalph]

Food for thought on the subject of Dom. violence.

http://www.americanbar.org/groups/domestic_violence/resources/statistics.html

[rastajenk]

Oops, hang on, I goofed. :blush:

[rastajenk]

By the way, how about we do that for other constitutional rights? Say, the 1st Amendment?Or Voting! :ThmbUp:

[cj's dad]

Seems I remember a guy named O.J. Simpson who didn't need a gun to murder 2 people.

[Robert Goren]

Seems I remember a guy named O.J. Simpson who didn't need a gun to murder 2 people.But some people do need a gun. I would not have much success trying to kill someone with a knife in my physical condition. Some people can kill a deer with a bow, too. The last time I got a deer many years ago, I needed a gun and several shots at several different deer over two days even then . That deer would have died of old age if I had tried to use a bow. We aren't all in the kind of shape O.J Simpson was in.

[cj's dad]

But some people do need a gun. I would not have much success trying to kill someone with a knife in my physical condition. Some people can kill a deer with a bow, too. The last time I got a deer many years ago, I needed a gun and several shots at several different deer over two days even then . That deer would have died of old age if I had tried to use a bow. We aren't all in the kind of shape O.J Simpson was in.

This woman must have been in great shape.

From post #36:

Mother decapitates son, then kills self
WITH KNIFE.

Guns don't kill people, people kill people.

Link:

http://articles.philly.com/2012-08-...ates-dispatcher (http://articles.philly.com/2012-08-22/news/33322903_1_abuse-or-neglect-decapitates-dispatcher)
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[Robert Goren]

It was a 2 yo. Now lets see her or you take on O.J. Simpson with a knife. I think she or you would need a gun to do that. Daniel Boone supposedly killed a bear with a knife, but I think most people would have better luck even with what passed for gun back then.

[rastajenk]

This thread is losing whatever class it may have had a chance to have.

[cj's dad]

You are anti-gun. I get it.

You have gone from killing a deer with a bow and arrow as opposed to a rifle to Daniel F---ing Boone killing a bear with a knife.

This player was criminally insane. If a gun was not available, he would have found another means.

Guns don't kill people, people kill people.

Let's look at some other methods of murder:

Hanging - let's eliminate rope of all types.

Suffocation - ban pillows, plastic bags,

Stabbing - no knives of any sorts permitted anywhere, anyplace, anytime.

Poisoning - eliminate all potentially toxic substances

Arson - stop the sale of matches and lighters.

Strangulation - all persons must now wear neck braces

Electrocution - everyone must be grounded at all times.

You get the idea RG.

[cj's dad]

I meant to say UNGROUNDED. :blush:

[HUSKER55]

ok...I will give you a pass....but...just this once! :lol:

[boxcar]

He has a point. There far too many murder-suicides in domestic situations. A lot (if not most)involving guns. The pro-gun people if they are to remain creditable must start to help to come up with ways to lessen those numbers. Far too long they have ignored the damage that some people who use a gun bring this country. It is not enough to have a moment of silence for the victim. They(and the rest of us) must figure out a way to stop having so many victims. What good does it do to just blame the killer and move on without doing anything? Just saying something about strapping a gun on every woman out there isn't the answer.

Whoa, chief, hold on a moment. Explain something to me, please. I take it that you're pro-abortion (well.. excuse me...pro-CHOICE :rolleyes: ), all under the guise that a woman has a right over her own body, correct? So...if a woman has this God-given right to murder the life within her, how come any human being (male or female) doesn't have the right to take his/her OWN life? How come this "pro-choice" thingy ends with a person's own body and applies only to females, and then only to the bodies being formed within their womb? How come a woman doesn't have a right to choose to blow her own brains out, but she does have the right to have some doctor use some horrible procedures to kill the life within her?

And furthermore, how come when a woman elects to have an abortion, that's perfectly sane and normal? No one hardly ever questions the mental or emotional state of the female who makes that decision. But if that same female freely chooses to terminate her own life, now society looks at her as being at minimum as being mentally unstable?

And one other point: In a society that largely subscribes to the philosophy of Moral Relativism where most people approve for themselves and others of doing what is right in their own eyes because there are no such things as moral absolutes, who made you a holier-than-thou, sanctimonious god to tell someone that suicide is not the right thing to do? Who are you to make that kind of moral judgment on behalf of someone else? Who are you to infringe on someone else's right to choose? Who are you to say that you must figure out a way to stop suicidal people?

Given all the above, I am more than a wee bit incredulous over your "moral outrage" about your perception of lack of gun control -- and using someone's suicide as an excuse to further restrict gun ownership. You don't like guns? Fine. Don't own any. You think guns are evil? Fine. You're entitled to your irrational thought patterns. But don't force your morality on the rest of us. Don't forget: Razor blades can be just as evil and pernicious when people choose to slit their own wrists with them, and these can easily be bought over the counter by anyone -- a child or an adult. Or what about car owners who decide to bid farewell to the world in their garage by carbon monoxide poisoning? Given your absurd logic, it seems to me that everyone in America should subject themselves to psychiatric evaluation. If so, you should be the very first one in line, considering your irrational thought patterns.

Boxcar

[cj's dad]

ok...I will give you a pass....but...just this once! :lol:

Man, I must be coming unhinged. Actually if one wants to be electrocuted, that person needs to be grounded to complete the current path back to the source. An "ungrounded" person is safe, if done properly.

Side note - I just checked my electrical license and it is still valid .:eek:

Goren has me confused. :bang:

[HUSKER55]

It could be worse. I got a flu and cold shoot and now I have a cold that is one for the books. The doctor sent me a bill and would you believe...I paid him! :D

[thaskalos]

As Ted Nugent recently said...isn't saying that the proliferation of guns is to blame for all the murders that we see, the same as saying that obesity in this country is the direct result of the proliferation of forks and knives?

[OntheRail]

The NRA supports limited criminal back ground checks. They do not support mental exams before selling someone a gun. That is what is needed. Who knows about this guy, but there has been plenty of people who were sold guns legally that were nuttier than Payday candy bar. Everybody who came in contact with Jared Loughner says they knew he was crazy, yet he was legally able to buy a gun. So was the guy who shot up Fort Hood or the nut who went to a place of worship shooting . And a lot of others too. Just because someone is crazy mean he doesn't mean leaves a paper trail. Then there was the case the tea party governor who pardon murderers on his last day in office. Those guys now can all buy guns legally. The NRA supported back ground checks are a joke. They know that and they don't care. They don't want any real back ground checks.
Should that test apply to Automobiles and alcohol? As the two account for more deaths then guns. And that's not combined.

[TJDave]

As Ted Nugent recently said...isn't saying that the proliferation of guns is to blame for all the murders that we see, the same as saying that obesity in this country is the direct result of the proliferation of forks and knives?

Ted Nugent is wrong and knows it. ;)

The proliferation of guns is a significant contributing factor. Like me, Ted loves his guns and wants more. And we don't care about consequences.

Where we differ is in the proliferation of BS.

[boxcar]

Ted Nugent is wrong and knows it. ;)

The proliferation of guns is a significant contributing factor. Like me, Ted loves his guns and wants more. And we don't care about consequences.

Where we differ is in the proliferation of BS.

The proliferation of guns says two things: People are violent by nature and the bad guys aren't shy about manifesting that violence. Secondly, the good guys recognize the rise in violence and rightfully desire to exercise their right to protect themselves against the bad guys. And your solution to this is what, exactly: Take away the guns of the good guys so that the criminals can have a monopoly on them?

Boxcar

[Valuist]

Cmon Boxcar, Chicago made tougher gun laws and guess what? No more gun murders in the city. :rolleyes:

[Greyfox]

Certainly when I was a kid we settled differences with fists.

A lot of young people today are into knives.

Below are the homicide rates per capita for the U.S. since 1950.

Are TV, movies, and action video games a contributor? Your call.

************************************************** *****
Bureau of Justice Stats.

More info at : http://bjs.ojp.usdoj.gov/content/homicide/hmrt.cfm

After falling rapidly in the mid to late 1990's, the number of homicides began increasing in 1999 but remain at levels below those experienced in the early 1970's


To view data, click on the chart.


http://bjs.ojp.usdoj.gov/content/homicide/totalcounts.png (http://bjs.ojp.usdoj.gov/content/homicide/tables/totalstab.cfm) [D] (http://bjs.ojp.usdoj.gov/content/homicide/d_totals.cfm)
Source: FBI, Uniform Crime Reports, 1950-2005


The demographic characteristics of homicide victims and offenders differ from the general population


Based on data for the years 1976-2005 -


Blacks are disproportionately represented as both homicide victims and offenders. The victimization rates for blacks were 6 times higher than those for whites. The offending rates for blacks were more than 7 times higher the rates for whites.
Males represent 77% of homicide victims and nearly 90% of offenders. The victimization rates for males were 3 times higher than the rates for females. The offending rates for males were 8 times higher than the rates for females.
Approximately one-third of murder victims and almost half the offenders are under the age of 25. For both victims and offenders, the rate per 100,000 peaks in the 18-24 year-old age group.

[JustRalph]

Blacks are disproportionately represented as both homicide victims and offenders. The victimization rates for blacks were 6 times higher than those for whites. The offending rates for blacks were more than 7 times higher the rates for whites.
Males represent 77% of homicide victims and nearly 90% of offenders. The victimization rates for males were 3 times higher than the rates for females. The offending rates for males were 8 times higher than the rates for females.
Approximately one-third of murder victims and almost half the offenders are under the age of 25. For both victims and offenders, the rate per 100,000 peaks in the 18-24 year-old age group.
[/list]

Be careful where you go............you might get branded......

[Greyfox]

Be careful where you go............you might get branded......

Those comments that you are quoting are directly on the U.S. Bureau of Justice website.

http://bjs.ojp.usdoj.gov/content/homicide/hmrt.cfm

[Steve 'StatMan']

What questions would one propose for a 'mental health' test, and why would anyone motivated to purchase a gun to murder someone not be willing and/or devious enough to lie about their answers? What logical person would expect honest answers from a future murderer, unless you're questioning a very stupid potential murderer?

"Do you ever get angry enough to take out revenge against someone?"

"Do some people just deserve to die?"

Rate this staement, on a scale from 1 (strongly agree) to 5 (strongly disagree): "It is ok to kill truly evil people."

Seriously. What good would test handed out at gun shops ans shows do? And what good would any test given by a trained professional do vs. a person motivated to murder?

[HUSKER55]

oh hell, this AK47 is just for a bonding experience between father and son while we deer hunt. :rolleyes:

[cj's dad]

It's being reported that JB was asleep in his car outside of his girlfriend's apt. @ 2:30 AM the day of the murder. So, he was apparently cheating on his baby daughter's mother.