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horses4courses
11-26-2012, 05:14 PM
http://www.drf.com/events/road-kentucky-derby-churchill-downs


DRF is updating the points table as we go.
Be nice to keep this thread going along with it.

horses4courses
11-26-2012, 05:15 PM
http://www.drf.com/news/kentucky-derby-2013-point-standings

Sysonby
11-27-2012, 02:59 PM
Thanks for posting this!

horses4courses
11-27-2012, 04:08 PM
Thanks for posting this!

You're welcome.
This new system will take some getting used to.
DRF has laid it all out pretty clearly.

Striker
11-28-2012, 12:56 PM
Win the BC Juv and get your 10 points, or you could just hope to get 3rd in the Sunland Derby or 4th in the Bluegrass to get those same 10 points. Shanghai Bobby has 20 points so far, and had the best 2yo season of this crop. I'm all for having to prove yourself again as a 3yo but for this horse to only have 20 points is wrong, and I am glad Pletcher has been speaking up in the media about this.

redshift1
11-29-2012, 12:30 AM
Win the BC Juv and get your 10 points, or you could just hope to get 3rd in the Sunland Derby or 4th in the Bluegrass to get those same 10 points. Shanghai Bobby has 20 points so far, and had the best 2yo season of this crop. I'm all for having to prove yourself again as a 3yo but for this horse to only have 20 points is wrong, and I am glad Pletcher has been speaking up in the media about this.

Heavily backloaded to generate more interest in the spring. Obviously It makes it almost impossible for horses to coast to the KD on early season earnings, although I can't remember that being a big issue in the past.

Waiting for the unintended consequences though.

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CincyHorseplayer
11-29-2012, 12:49 AM
I like it because the trending way eventually would have resulted in a near Md Sp Wt Derby.Earn it or go to the breeding shed now.Do not pass go.Do not collect 1 million dollars!

horses4courses
11-29-2012, 08:17 AM
A plus, for me, is that the Delta Jackpot winner no longer has a free pass into the Derby gate.

The down side?
Seeing the BC Juvenile reduced to practically a non-event when it comes to Derby qualification.
The lasix issue aside, this event should be worth 50 points minimum to the winner.

Striker
11-29-2012, 01:24 PM
I like it because the trending way eventually would have resulted in a near Md Sp Wt Derby.Earn it or go to the breeding shed now.Do not pass go.Do not collect 1 million dollars!
Don't you think winning the BC Juv at least should earn him a spot in the gate for the KD?

redshift1
11-29-2012, 03:18 PM
Don't you think winning the BC Juv at least should earn him a spot in the gate for the KD?

Probably to much time between the races to make relevant, especially considering that precocious G1 2YR old winners are no lock to be competitive in the triple crown series even without being injured.

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CincyHorseplayer
11-29-2012, 03:45 PM
Don't you think winning the BC Juv at least should earn him a spot in the gate for the KD?

Not if there are 1-2 races between these particular starts.I hope the way things are these colts start more often.We are never going to see a Triple Crown winner again IMO unless these horses get some seasoning and competitive durability,so that once they hit the TC series they do have the foundation to take off from.The BC Juv is practically in a parallel universe come the first Saturday in May.

horses4courses
12-17-2012, 11:43 PM
The Hollywood Futurity gives Violence 10 points on the Road to the Derby.
Points wise, though, it counts for little. Nice win, all the same.

Updated standings: http://www.drf.com/news/kentucky-derby-2013-point-standings

Next race on the schedule is on Jan 5th, with the Sham at Santa Anita.
The next 9 races on the schedule are for 10 points to the winner.
From Feb 23rd, the points go up to 50 for the winner (8 races at that level).
From Mar 30th, it's 100 points to the winner (7 races like that)
The last two races are close to the Derby, and offer 20 points for a win.

Remaining schedule: http://www.drf.com/events/road-kentucky-derby-churchill-downs

Good luck!

horses4courses
12-18-2012, 12:02 AM
The thought occurs to me that, for the first time in years, the Derby Trial may actually come into play again for getting a horse to the Derby a week later.

If I made a line on the first trainer to attempt it, I would have D W Lukas at the top of the list. ;)

Tom
12-18-2012, 07:35 AM
At all CDI tracks, you get 50 points with the purchase of a large soft drink.

tophorse1145
12-21-2012, 02:23 PM
Thanks for posting the schedule....I am so excited about it.

appistappis
12-24-2012, 06:31 PM
:D :D :D

At all CDI tracks, you get 50 points with the purchase of a large soft drink.

BeatTheChalk
12-25-2012, 09:06 PM
the race in Kentucky is 120 days away. I dont know about you ..but I woke
up and said ""Where did the year go ?" And we may have a winner ..that
honors China. Wouldnt that be Irony of the first order.

horses4courses
01-07-2013, 03:16 PM
Goldencents now tops the standings

http://www.drf.com/news/kentucky-derby-2013-point-standings



Next race on the schedule is on 1-19 - Lecomte Stakes at FG

http://www.drf.com/events/road-kentucky-derby-churchill-downs


Good luck!

redshift1
01-10-2013, 05:07 PM
Brad Free discusses the connections sans the big question will Goldencents be competitive at the derby distance. Anything is possible but the derby chances of the afore mentioned seem remote at best who when last seen was all out to win the Sham against an unheralded group.


http://www.drf.com/news/brad-free-goldencents-krigger-could-be-years-version-ill-have-another-gutierrez

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Some_One
01-10-2013, 08:26 PM
26.5 final fraction in the Sham, thats easily a 40 plus final fraction in a 9f race and that is simply not good enough. Although I think the horse needs some maturing, looked like for the first part of the stretch he was looking around to the right.

horses4courses
01-27-2013, 08:42 PM
Useful link from KY Derby Contenders on Twitter:

KY Derby Contenders ‏@DerbyContenders
Updated Triple Crown trail with winners, Performance Figures, conditions, dosage and videos:
http://chef-de-race.com/dosage/classics/2013/2013_classic_contenders_a-f.htm

ten2oneormore
01-28-2013, 09:06 AM
Brad Free discusses the connections sans the big question will Goldencents be competitive at the derby distance. Anything is possible but the derby chances of the afore mentioned seem remote at best who when last seen was all out to win the Sham against an unheralded group.


http://www.drf.com/news/brad-free-goldencents-krigger-could-be-years-version-ill-have-another-gutierrez

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They showed Goldencents workout the other day and it was pretty impressive over a wet track though.

:22 4/5, :45 3/5 , :57 4/5 , and 1:10 1/5

peeptoad
01-29-2013, 07:39 AM
Anyone have any info on Fury Kapcori? Seems he will miss his intended next start....

horses4courses
01-29-2013, 10:59 AM
Anyone have any info on Fury Kapcori? Seems he will miss his intended next start....

All Hollendorfer would say is that he had a setback. No details.
Updated points and standings contained in following link:

http://www.drf.com/news/santa-anita-cashcall-futurity-runner-fury-kapcori-will-miss-robert-lewis-stakes

horses4courses
01-29-2013, 01:19 PM
Here's a current list of Derby hopefuls who have had setbacks in training.
Some are temporarily sidelined, others are off the Derby trail.

http://www.horseracingnation.com/blogs/pedigree_power/2013_Kentucky_Derby_Contenders_Injury_List_123#

Midnight Cruiser
01-29-2013, 08:44 PM
Seems like this years list is light on RAN. Here are my 5 I would put futures bets on today if they were healthy:

Fortify

Pakaki Kid

Capo Bastone

Mylute

Carving

Of the 5, Fortify and Carving are out of RAN and meet the min dosage points and cdi #s. And I just got back from Vegas.....

LAP_520
02-05-2013, 09:00 AM
139th Kentucky Derby - Future Wager Pool 1 - February 8 -10, 2013

rastajenk
02-05-2013, 09:52 AM
Seems early, doesn't it?

horses4courses
02-05-2013, 10:45 AM
http://www.drf.com/news/kentucky-derby-2013-point-standings

http://www.drf.com/events/road-kentucky-derby-churchill-downs

bob60566
02-08-2013, 11:20 PM
139th Kentucky Derby - Future Wager Pool 1 - February 8 -10, 2013

Normanday Invader rolled the dice today at 30/1

Robert Fischer
02-09-2013, 11:34 AM
Normanday Invasion rolled the dice today at 30/1

I don't have a strong opinion, but this one caught my eye on a once-over. :ThmbUp:

Valuist
02-15-2013, 09:47 AM
The El Camino Real Derby has Derby qualifying points? What a joke. This new system is outlandish.

EJXD2
02-15-2013, 11:14 AM
The El Camino Real Derby has Derby qualifying points? What a joke. This new system is outlandish.

As a graded stake, it always counted toward Derby qualification

Tom
02-15-2013, 11:39 AM
Yes, but it still counts and the Illinois Derby doesn't.

Stupid system.
There was no problem - but they fixed it.

Valuist
02-15-2013, 12:01 PM
As a graded stake, it always counted toward Derby qualification

Which brings to mind, why is it graded? Why is the Blue Grass a Grade 1? This isn't rocket science; even a weekend warrior would be able to see that these are injustices.

Any race on synthetic or grass should not be given any points whatsoever. The Dubai race is completely irrelevant.

Striker
02-16-2013, 01:16 AM
Which brings to mind, why is it graded? Why is the Blue Grass a Grade 1? This isn't rocket science; even a weekend warrior would be able to see that these are injustices.

Any race on synthetic or grass should not be given any points whatsoever. The Dubai race is completely irrelevant.
Totally agree with you on the UAE Derby, yet that race somehow is worth 100 points. Also think that giving the G3 Sunland Derby winner 50 points is outrageous and the G2 IL Derby wasn't even worth 10 points. Makes little to no sense at all.

Tread
02-16-2013, 09:08 AM
Any race on synthetic or grass should not be given any points whatsoever.

Complete and utter nonsense.

In recent years, Animal Kingdom, Mine That Bird, and Street Sense all used synthetic preps at some point prior to the Derby. Not to mention that this line of thinking could also be used to not qualify Zenyatta for the BC Classic at CD.

It is amazing how ridiculously warped the minds of synthetic haters are. No one is arguing they are the same surface, but discounting a stakes quality horse just because he has ran over it is not logical.

We don't really know what these horses are yet or where they might come from. Just this time last year, IllHaveAnother was winning his first stakes at odds of 50-1 and people on this very board were lamenting how terrible the Calif branch of the 3yr old crop was.

EJXD2
02-17-2013, 12:02 PM
Which brings to mind, why is it graded? Why is the Blue Grass a Grade 1? This isn't rocket science; even a weekend warrior would be able to see that these are injustices.

Any race on synthetic or grass should not be given any points whatsoever. The Dubai race is completely irrelevant.

Group stakes the world over counted toward the Derby and there was never an outcry that all those races were "completely irrelevant." Now only two races outside North America count, but there's outcry. I don't get it.

EdD

EJXD2
02-17-2013, 12:03 PM
Yes, but it still counts and the Illinois Derby doesn't.

Stupid system.
There was no problem - but they fixed it.

I always had an issue that the most lucrative race on the Derby trail was the BC Juvenile. It's just not THAT important. Maybe there was an overcorrection, but I think it's more correctly valued now than it was.

Races like the Delta Jackpot, BC Juvenile Filly Turf, and BC Juvenile Turf are no longer de factor Win & You're In, and I'm OK with that

horses4courses
03-31-2013, 10:31 AM
Latest points standings:
http://www.drf.com/news/kentucky-derby-2013-point-standings

Events to come:
http://www.drf.com/events/road-kentucky-derby-churchill-downs