What really happened in Benghazi?

[ArlJim78]

Why did they not launch a rescue? Why are they covering up and lying?
This article (http://www.canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/50586) presents a plausible explanation.



Although the U.S. government insisted that Stevens was involved in securing and destroying the numerous caches of arms and weapons once under the control of Qaddafi, the operation was more complex than that. The visual accounts of weapons being destroyed were indeed real, but those weapons were not operational. The working weapons were actually separated and transported to holding facilities for their eventual use in Syria. Russia was fully aware of this operation and warned the U.S. not to engage in the destabilization of Syria, as doing so would endanger their national security interests. Deposing Assad, as despotic as he might be, and replacing him with a Muslim Brotherhood-led regime would likely lead to unrestrained Islamic chaos across the region.

[so.cal.fan]

I'm sure that was one of the reasons.
The way the Obama administration handled this was just wrong....wrong and with tragic consequences.

[horses4courses]

The same old song.
You guys are johnny-one-notes......

[Greyfox]

The same old song.
You guys are johnny-one-notes......

The public has not been told what really happened in Benghazi.

What little we know is:
1. security was inappropriate
2. Four lives were taken
3. a fog has surrounded whether or not additional protection could have gone to the scene
4. the WH Administration put the blame on a spontaneous demonstration about a video tape
5. the WH may have seen the event via drone telecast in the situation room
5. the CIA has said that it did not give an order to stand down
6. congress will investigate this after the election
7. the WH has admitted subsequently that an "act of terror" took place
8. Hillary Clinton offered to "fall on the sword"
9. information is emerging that the deaths may have been preventable


horses4courses
Please tell us what is wrong in pressing for the truth?

Are you satisfied with the explanations that have been given to date?

Obama campaigned on "transparency" as his strong suit.
Nothing has been transparent about how this awful situation has been handled.

[fast4522]

After six weeks of willful distortion of the facts concerning the organized terrorist attack on the US Consulate in Benghazi on September 11, we’ve learned this week that the President knew what was going on from the outset of the seven-hour battle -- and did nothing. Thanks to the work of former Assistant Secretary of Defense Bing West (“First, Aid the Living,” National Review Oct 22), we now know that President Obama was receiving photo and signals intelligence from a drone flying over the compound as well as reporting cables from the staff members who were under attack in near real time -- yet did nothing.

US Special Operations troops and fighter/attack aircraft were within an hour’s flight time at the NATO base in Sigonella, Italy. The attack lasted for more than seven hours, yet these troops were never called upon to help Americans under assault by known terrorist elements.

Having served at the White House for nine years and been involved in many efforts to prevent or to respond to attacks on Americans, I’m astonished by this failure to come to the aid of Americans under fire. Consider the following. In October, 1985, a cruise ship (i.e. the Achille Lauro) was taken by terrorists in the Mediterranean and Leon Klinghoffer, an American, was killed and pitched overboard. President Reagan immediately focused our full intelligence and military resources on responding and capturing the terrorists. As they made their way to Cairo we learned of their plan to board a chartered aircraft and flee to Tunisia. The Joint Chiefs developed options within hours and when the terrorists took off from Cairo the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs recommended that Sixth Fleet aircraft intercept the aircraft and direct it to land at the NATO base in Sigonella. In approving the plan, President Reagan added, “If they refuse to land, shoot it down.” He acted as a Commander in Chief must. We cannot allow terrorists to conclude that they can kill Americans with impunity. That crisis ended with the terrorists being captured and turned over to Italian authorities.

Three conclusions can be drawn from this tawdry episode:
First, on September 11, being aware that Americans, including our Ambassador, were under attack, President Obama did nothing to send nearby forces to their aid.

Second, on the following morning, notwithstanding the mounting evidence of what had happened and knowing that Ambassador Chris Stevens had been killed, he directed his press spokesman to withhold the facts and willfully deliver a portrayal of events that he knew to be false – as he left on a campaign trip to Las Vegas.

Third, this tragic loss of Chris Stevens and others serving our country in Libya,
might well have been avoided had the president responded to the Ambassadors earlier requests for better security in the run-up to 9-11, and threats from known terrorists groups to attack Americans.

Finally, and more broadly, this terrible loss demonstrates that the President has yet to come to grips with the nature of the radical Islamist threat we must face and overcome. Surely one can acknowledge the benign attitude and religious tolerance that characterizes most Muslims while concurrently naming and developing a strategy to eliminate the well-armed, well-financed, intolerant Al Qaeda affiliates that have spread to more than 30 countries during his administration.

On September 11th, of this year President Obama’s incompetent performance – faced with an urgent need, and the opportunity to send help and perhaps to save lives of Americans under fire-- represents the most egregious dereliction of duty by an American official I’ve ever heard of. I cannot imagine a more serious abrogation of his responsibility as president.
Robert McFarlane served as President Reagan’s national security advisor, co-authored Crisis Resolution, Westview Press, 1978, and is currently a Senior Advisor to the Foundation for Defense of Democracies



Robert C. McFarlane
Chairman
McFarlane Associates Inc.
2700 Virginia Ave. NW (Suite 901)
Washington, DC 20037`
Tel: 202 415 2929

[ArlJim78]

it's too bad there isn't some profession whose duty is to investigate and report on the facts, to challenge government officials, to ensure they are transparent and accountable.

[Greyfox]

it's too bad there isn't some profession whose duty is to investigate and report on the facts, to challenge government officials, to ensure they are transparent and accountable.

There is...or was. Investigative journalists for TV and Newspapers once did that sort of thing. (eg. Woodward and Bernstein unravelled Watergate.)
Surely, there must be some of their fabric somewhere, not necessarily America.

[PaceAdvantage]

After six weeks of willful distortion of the facts concerning the organized terrorist attack on the US Consulate in Benghazi on September 11, we’ve learned this week that the President knew what was going on from the outset of the seven-hour battle -- and did nothing. Thanks to the work of former Assistant Secretary of Defense Bing West (“First, Aid the Living,” National Review Oct 22), we now know that President Obama was receiving photo and signals intelligence from a drone flying over the compound as well as reporting cables from the staff members who were under attack in near real time -- yet did nothing.

US Special Operations troops and fighter/attack aircraft were within an hour’s flight time at the NATO base in Sigonella, Italy. The attack lasted for more than seven hours, yet these troops were never called upon to help Americans under assault by known terrorist elements.

Having served at the White House for nine years and been involved in many efforts to prevent or to respond to attacks on Americans, I’m astonished by this failure to come to the aid of Americans under fire. Consider the following. In October, 1985, a cruise ship (i.e. the Achille Lauro) was taken by terrorists in the Mediterranean and Leon Klinghoffer, an American, was killed and pitched overboard. President Reagan immediately focused our full intelligence and military resources on responding and capturing the terrorists. As they made their way to Cairo we learned of their plan to board a chartered aircraft and flee to Tunisia. The Joint Chiefs developed options within hours and when the terrorists took off from Cairo the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs recommended that Sixth Fleet aircraft intercept the aircraft and direct it to land at the NATO base in Sigonella. In approving the plan, President Reagan added, “If they refuse to land, shoot it down.” He acted as a Commander in Chief must. We cannot allow terrorists to conclude that they can kill Americans with impunity. That crisis ended with the terrorists being captured and turned over to Italian authorities.

Three conclusions can be drawn from this tawdry episode:
First, on September 11, being aware that Americans, including our Ambassador, were under attack, President Obama did nothing to send nearby forces to their aid.

Second, on the following morning, notwithstanding the mounting evidence of what had happened and knowing that Ambassador Chris Stevens had been killed, he directed his press spokesman to withhold the facts and willfully deliver a portrayal of events that he knew to be false – as he left on a campaign trip to Las Vegas.

Third, this tragic loss of Chris Stevens and others serving our country in Libya,
might well have been avoided had the president responded to the Ambassadors earlier requests for better security in the run-up to 9-11, and threats from known terrorists groups to attack Americans.

Finally, and more broadly, this terrible loss demonstrates that the President has yet to come to grips with the nature of the radical Islamist threat we must face and overcome. Surely one can acknowledge the benign attitude and religious tolerance that characterizes most Muslims while concurrently naming and developing a strategy to eliminate the well-armed, well-financed, intolerant Al Qaeda affiliates that have spread to more than 30 countries during his administration.

On September 11th, of this year President Obama’s incompetent performance – faced with an urgent need, and the opportunity to send help and perhaps to save lives of Americans under fire-- represents the most egregious dereliction of duty by an American official I’ve ever heard of. I cannot imagine a more serious abrogation of his responsibility as president.
Robert McFarlane served as President Reagan’s national security advisor, co-authored Crisis Resolution, Westview Press, 1978, and is currently a Senior Advisor to the Foundation for Defense of Democracies



Robert C. McFarlane
Chairman
McFarlane Associates Inc.
2700 Virginia Ave. NW (Suite 901)
Washington, DC 20037`
Tel: 202 415 2929What is the source of this McFarlane thing? I could only find it on two very discreet spots on the Internet. One was a Corvette forum of all places...and the other some forum I don't even know what it's about...

Surely something written by the former National Security Advisor to Reagan wouldn't be this tough to find, would it? Especially if it's genuine?

[redshift1]

The same old song.
You guys are johnny-one-notes......

Consensual hallucinations characterized by repetitive behaviors.

"Gotta post Benghazi"
"Gotta post Benghazi"
"Gotta post Benghazi"
"Gotta post Benghazi"

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[fast4522]

I did a cut and paste from the internet, I did not save source, I know it sounds lame. The reason I found it in the first place was because I was watching a special on FOX and Robert C. McFarlane was on there saying the same thing today less than two hours ago. The FOX special report was in line with this thread.

[PaceAdvantage]

Consensual hallucinations characterized by repetitive behaviors.

"Gotta post Benghazi"
"Gotta post Benghazi"
"Gotta post Benghazi"
"Gotta post Benghazi"

.If it's all so repetitive and boring, why did you click on the link to open it up and read it? I mean, Benghazi is right there in the thread title, is it not?

It's not like the thread was named "Check out the boobs on this babe...." and you were somehow tricked into reading it... :lol:

What's even more boring and repetitive is people coming into these threads and criticizing them for existing in the first place.

As if someone is FORCING you to read them...

[Greyfox]

I did a cut and paste from the internet, I did not save source, I know it sounds lame. The reason I found it in the first place was because I was watching a special on FOX and Robert C. McFarlane was on there saying the same thing today less than two hours ago. The FOX special report was in line with this thread.



McFarlane has previously served in the White House and wiki has the following about him
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_McFarlane

[fast4522]

Failure to execute duty as a President is not like horse racing, this Kenyan feels he can outrun his odds because we are all saps right. The absolute saddening part of this that there are people who just do not give a shit at all because their wants and needs are more important than integrity.

[Dahoss9698]

Failure to execute duty as a President is not like horse racing, this Kenyan feels he can outrun his odds because we are all saps right. The absolute saddening part of this that there are people who just do not give a shit at all because their wants and needs are more important than integrity.
Nice touch.

[FantasticDan]

Nice touch.That's called burying the lead. Or in this case, not burying it very well :lol:

[redshift1]

If it's all so repetitive and boring, why did you click on the link to open it up and read it? I mean, Benghazi is right there in the thread title, is it not?

It's not like the thread was named "Check out the boobs on this babe...." and you were somehow tricked into reading it... :lol:

What's even more boring and repetitive is people coming into these threads and criticizing them for existing in the first place.

As if someone is FORCING you to read them...

Clearly the thread is a textbook example of "waving the bloody shirt" . By now everyone is well aware of the circumstances regarding the incident yet new "shocking revelations" come to light daily. This is not a thread about Benghazi instead it's a thread about disparaging and politics, whether someone chooses to click on it is irrelevant.

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[Greyfox]

. By now everyone is well aware of the circumstances regarding the incident yet new "shocking revelations" come to light daily. This is not a thread about Benghazi instead it's a thread about disparaging and politics, whether someone chooses to click on it is irrelevant.

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You don't get it.

The circumstances of the incident are not at all clear.

Independent of your political stripe, the truth needs to be "outed" in order to prevent this sort of massacre again.

[Tom]

it's too bad there isn't some profession whose duty is to investigate and report on the facts, to challenge government officials, to ensure they are transparent and accountable.

Why, we could have a, a, sort of fifth estate, one whose job it was to keep governments honest by investigation of all, uncovering of facts, and ensuring we have an informed electorate, the ban of autocracies and the lifeblood of freedom. And of course the rights this free press would be guarenteed...........naw, it would never fly. Fuggetaboutit.

[Tom]

You don't get it.

The circumstances of the incident are not at all clear.

Independent of your political stripe, the truth needs to be "outed" in order to prevent this sort of massacre again.

Amazing how many are so willing to just write of 4 dead Americans and not give a crap how it happened or that it was avoidable. I wonder if they think we should have gone after bin Laden. Hey, shit happens, why get in an uproar? :rolleyes:

[Greyfox]

Amazing how many are so willing to just write of 4 dead Americans and not give a crap how it happened or that it was avoidable.

How true.:ThmbUp:

Politics has nothing to do with sons coming home in flag covered boxes, but incompetence might.

Everyone should be concerned.

[fast4522]

This will not go away regardless of the election, in another thread there are mentions of heads rolling in high positions in the military. This is just opportune for the administration to gut the military for moneys to fund a socialist state. Expect this subject to become huge no matter what the outcome of our election.

[redshift1]

You don't get it.

The circumstances of the incident are not at all clear.

Independent of your political stripe, the truth needs to be "outed" in order to prevent this sort of massacre again.


Independent of your your political stripe, would Fox be calling for transparency if the sitting president was republican? Probably not and certainly not with throbe clad terrorists silhouetted against a flaming background on every news telecast.

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[thaskalos]

You don't get it.

The circumstances of the incident are not at all clear.

Independent of your political stripe, the truth needs to be "outed" in order to prevent this sort of massacre again.
You make it seem as if this the only case when the truth was not "outed".

The truth is never outed; it is marked "confidential"...and lies hidden from public view...only to be revealed 50 years after the fact...when no one cares about it anymore.

[fast4522]

The truth is not even as ugly as a father who has to bury a son because someone failed to do his job. Paint things as you desire but this is not going away this year.

[Tom]

Independent of your your political stripe, would Fox be calling for transparency if the sitting president was republican? Probably not and certainly not with throbe clad terrorists silhouetted against a flaming background on every news telecast.

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I do believe they would be. They have very balanced in their NEWS reporting - forget the talk shows. You have any proof they would lie?
I didn't think so.

[Greyfox]

You make it seem as if this the only case when the truth was not "outed".

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thaskalos - Please explain how I make it seem as if this is the only case where the truth is not "outed." I never said that there weren't other cases and I don't believe, as you do, that the truth is never outed.

[Tom]

You make it seem as if this the only case when the truth was not "outed".

The truth is never outed; it is marked "confidential"...and lies hidden from public view...only to be revealed 50 years after the fact...when no one cares about it anymore.

Maybe that is because no one ever made a stink about it when it happened. Your suggestion is roll over and enjoy it?

[JustRalph]

http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-TV/2012/10/28/Report-Obama-Watched-Benghazi-Attack-From-Situation-Room


If this is true, devastating info.

I have my doubts

[ArlJim78]

someone once said, "The truth is always nice, even if it hurts"

[Tom]

We know the whole thing was on Drone TV.
What we need to know is where was Obama at that time......

[fast4522]

Maybe TV ads could be run in swing states like this:

[mostpost]

The public has not been told what really happened in Benghazi.

What little we know is:
1. security was inappropriate
It is truly wonderful to be able to know what should have been done after the fact. Security levels are decided at the mid level of the State Department, not by the President.
2. Four lives were taken
One thing you got right.
3. a fog has surrounded whether or not additional protection could have gone to the scene
Reinforcements were sent from the CIA annex and from Tripoli. The force from Tripoli was ambushed.
4. the WH Administration put the blame on a spontaneous demonstration about a video tape
They did that originally, but even from the beginning they said the attack was from a group separate from the demonstrators. (Yes I know there were no demonstrators)
5. the WH may have seen the event via drone telecast in the situation room
5. the CIA has said that it did not give an order to stand down
6. congress will investigate this after the election
7. the WH has admitted subsequently that an "act of terror" took place
8. Hillary Clinton offered to "fall on the sword"
9. information is emerging that the deaths may have been preventable


horses4courses
Please tell us what is wrong in pressing for the truth?

Are you satisfied with the explanations that have been given to date?

Obama campaigned on "transparency" as his strong suit.
Nothing has been transparent about how this awful situation has been handled.

What you call pressing for the truth is really finding a way to blame Obama. If you were interested in the truth, I would agree with you, but you have no interest in the truth.

[fast4522]

Here is some truth.

[mostpost]

US Special Operations troops and fighter/attack aircraft were within an hour’s flight time at the NATO base in Sigonella, Italy. The attack lasted for more than seven hours, yet these troops were never called upon to help Americans under assault by known terrorist elements.

The first inaccuracy is that the attack lasted seven hours. The attack on the consulate began at 9:40PM. Some time later reinforcements arrived from the CIA annex, but could not locate the Ambassador. Several stories indicate that locals discovered the ambassador who was still alive around one AM. That is a little over three hours lapsed time and even that is well after the attack had run its course.

As for the Special Ops forces at Sigonella, Italy, the fact that they were an hours flight time away is less than meaningless. It also takes time to assemble a team; to issue weapons; to brief the team on its mission, which would have been impossible because no one knew what the situation on the ground was.
As has been said, you don't send troops into a situation unless you have a clear understanding of the situation. I have no doubt that you, Mr. 4522 would have been the first to complain if we had sent in Special Ops and they had suffered the same fate as Blackhawk Down. John Wayne was an actor. This is real life and death.

[thaskalos]

someone once said, "The truth is always nice, even if it hurts"
Yeah...and look at the responses he received.

I happen to have a passion for the truth...but where can it be found?

[elysiantraveller]

Yeah...and look at the responses he received.

I happen to have a passion for the truth...but where can it be found?

Most people try this...

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/--KFnCPmE75w/UArOCay2X9I/AAAAAAAAAp4/LuaD0pcnsZs/s1600/head_in_sand.jpg

[kingfin66]

Failure to execute duty as a President is not like horse racing, this Kenyan feels he can outrun his odds because we are all saps right. The absolute saddening part of this that there are people who just do not give a shit at all because their wants and needs are more important than integrity.

So did you guys change your mind and decide that he is black after all. I never seen a white or mixed race Kenyan. Or, are you saying that he is Kenyan in the sense of the whole "birther" thing which he settled by providing a copy of birth certificate. Or, is it option three, that you could possibly be racist? I am not calling you one, but rather asking if you are one because the context in which you said "this Kenyan" was not really necessary when referring to the President. So, which is it: wacko, studid, ignorant, or racist? Combo of each of them?

[Dahoss9698]

So did you guys change your mind and decide that he is black after all. I never seen a white or mixed race Kenyan. Or, are you saying that he is Kenyan in the sense of the whole "birther" thing which he settled by providing a copy of birth certificate. Or, is it option three, that you could possibly be racist? I am not calling you one, but rather asking if you are one because the context in which you said "this Kenyan" was not really necessary when referring to the President. So, which is it: wacko, studid, ignorant, or racist? Combo of each of them?
I'll take all of the above for as much as I can bet.

[Tom]

I happen to have a passion for the truth...but where can it be found?

FOX News.

[LottaKash]

.......if we had sent in Special Ops and they had suffered the same fate as Blackhawk Down. John Wayne was an actor. This is real life and death.You are the "Major Burns" of Pace Advantage....

If you were in charge, I would doubt that you would even try, because maybe something bad would happen, and you would be so full of "what if's" in the face of any danger, and you would do nothing........Grow a pair...

I suppose that is why you support this President, that spits on the Constitution, and doesn't have any real clue of what to do in a "real" life and death situation, because I believe you are just like he...

[Tom]

Lotta Truth. :ThmbUp:

[LottaKash]

Lotta Truth. :ThmbUp:

Thx Tom...

And you know Tom, if I was in a war setting, where lots of people were trying to kill and harm me and my brothers (and I was, and they were) I wouldn't want "Major Burns" anywhere near me in that situation....

[Tom]

I wouldn't want to be depending on Obama, either.

[Dahoss9698]

Lotta Kash is the guy who said everytime he hears rap music it makes him want to get a spear and run around in a circle, right?

What a class act.

[LottaKash]

Lotta Kash is the guy who said everytime he hears rap music it makes him want to get a spear and run around in a circle, right?

What a class act.

Uh, that was "dance around a fire", actually....Very Primitive and Arousing, don't you think ?...

Me, I love a good "Polka", actually...You know 1-2-3, 1-2-3....:jump: ...Maybe a Texas "two-step"...

[Dahoss9698]

Uh, that was "dance around a fire", actually....Very Primitive and Arousing, don't you think ?...

Me, I love a good "Polka", actually...You know 1-2-3, 1-2-3....:jump: ...Maybe a Texas "two-step"...
And you're proud of it.

I actually respect that in a weird way. Instead of pretending you aren't racist, you're owning it.

Help some of your buddies here own it as well.

[MONEY]

"Check out the boobs on this babe...."
I can't find this thread, please post a link. :ThmbUp:

Here's the deal.
I know some people that don't have cable or internet and so far, the only things that they’ve ever heard about Benghazi are what I have told them.

Hurricane Sandy has been dominating the news & will keep on dominating the news for the next few days.

If Hurricane Sandy causes the damage the is being forecast & the president
makes himself look presidential leading the cleanup, I think that he will get re-elected.

[JustRalph]

I read that there were C130 gun ships pre loaded 1 hour flight time away.

One of those aircraft could have ended the attack in five minutes.

If that's true, i have a problem with how it was handled.

[lsbets]

I'm not going to get into the specifics of Benghazi, because I don't know what happened. I would like to know, but the chances of finding out who made the call to not send a qrf is next to zero.

What I will say mostie is do yourself a favor and don't talk about how a qrf could not be sent. You only reveal how little you know.

A qrf (quick reaction force) is ready to go on a moments notice. If the decision was made to send them to Libya (and that decision would have to be made t the very top because it would involve sending troops into a sovereign nation) the team would have been airborne within 1-2 hours depending on their sops and recall orders. Drones would have flown overhead providing real time intel on the situation, and a plan would have been formulated on the way. When you send in a qrf team you never have good intel, you go with the est that you have and count on highly trained operators who can adapt to the circumstances on the ground. In this case our night vision and commo capabilities would have outweighed any lack of specific intel.

Don't give the line of crap that it couldn't be done just because you feel an endless need to defend Obama. We have people trained and ready for these types of missions. Please stop pretending that you have the first clue how a qrf would operate in a situation like this.

The first inaccuracy is that the attack lasted seven hours. The attack on the consulate began at 9:40PM. Some time later reinforcements arrived from the CIA annex, but could not locate the Ambassador. Several stories indicate that locals discovered the ambassador who was still alive around one AM. That is a little over three hours lapsed time and even that is well after the attack had run its course.

As for the Special Ops forces at Sigonella, Italy, the fact that they were an hours flight time away is less than meaningless. It also takes time to assemble a team; to issue weapons; to brief the team on its mission, which would have been impossible because no one knew what the situation on the ground was.
As has been said, you don't send troops into a situation unless you have a clear understanding of the situation. I have no doubt that you, Mr. 4522 would have been the first to complain if we had sent in Special Ops and they had suffered the same fate as Blackhawk Down. John Wayne was an actor. This is real life and death.

[LottaKash]

And you're proud of it.

I actually respect that in a weird way. Instead of pretending you aren't racist, you're owning it.

Help some of your buddies here own it as well.

Dahoss, I suspect that you've got me all wrong....

That was a comment on how music had "REGRESSED", is all......

I have always been a lover of "goodmusic"...."ALL MUSIC"....And you know it's funny how, when in my teens, I was a street corner "do whopper" with the boys, and two of our members were Black or should I say Negro (whatever) and we would do harmony together and perform at amateur talent contests, and occasionally won some too...And, they were my real friends, and I have never forgotten that....So, a racist, I doubt it....

Heck my favorite music of "all" the music I have loved, is "Soul Music", and I will take it over just about everything I have ever heard, and, I have heard much.....And, I was a hippie type in the late 60's and 70's, trying to get into Heavy Metal, or bubble gum and such, so I faked it, to fit in, you might say....Peace and Love you know....Sure there have been so many good singers, bands, and groups that were so good thru my years, but in the end, I've always loved Romantic Soul Music best of all.....It was beautiful...

Rap Music to me, is a regression of music, I call it "non music".....All of it sounds the same to me, over and over and over again.....Where has the love for feeling good, and romance thru music, gone ?....I get none of this from rap...Just aroused, and often enough, not in a good way...

Heck, I loved "Disco" (well, most of it anyway), it was a music for it's time, and I danced alot to it....Soul Music and Disco, in case you haven't learned, is very much derived and done best by Black musicians....So, does that make me a racist ?

This is not a racial comment, but Rap Music to me, just sounds too primitive to me....It is without anything original, inventive, or creative....Just so much tediousness without any substance....Not to mention the ugliness and racism that is so inheritant with some of the so called "rap-artists".....

For dancing, sure, I am good with that, but, that is where the spear and the fire come in for me :jump: ...get it...

My sincerest apologies for the "thread drift" folks....

[Dahoss9698]

I'll take you at your word. But you'd have to admit, when you put the music, spear and dancing around a fire together, you can kind of see why one might think racist, right?

Either way, we can agree on the merits of rap. I'm not a fan, although it was good to listen to before a football game. Got us hyped up.

[PaceAdvantage]

Lotta Kash is the guy who said everytime he hears rap music it makes him want to get a spear and run around in a circle, right?

What a class act.Didn't I delete that comment from Lotta Kash?

[Greyfox]

What you call pressing for the truth is really finding a way to blame Obama. If you were interested in the truth, I would agree with you, but you have no interest in the truth.

Yeah, you're on to something.:rolleyes:

https://si0.twimg.com/profile_images/2247577201/bullshit.gif

[Dahoss9698]

Didn't I delete that comment from Lotta Kash?
Probably. I just hadn't seen him lately and was wondering about it.

[mostpost]

I'm not going to get into the specifics of Benghazi, because I don't know what happened. I would like to know, but the chances of finding out who made the call to not send a qrf is next to zero.

What I will say mostie is do yourself a favor and don't talk about how a qrf could not be sent. You only reveal how little you know.

A qrf (quick reaction force) is ready to go on a moments notice. If the decision was made to send them to Libya (and that decision would have to be made t the very top because it would involve sending troops into a sovereign nation) the team would have been airborne within 1-2 hours depending on their sops and recall orders. Drones would have flown overhead providing real time intel on the situation, and a plan would have been formulated on the way. When you send in a qrf team you never have good intel, you go with the est that you have and count on highly trained operators who can adapt to the circumstances on the ground. In this case our night vision and commo capabilities would have outweighed any lack of specific intel.

Don't give the line of crap that it couldn't be done just because you feel an endless need to defend Obama. We have people trained and ready for these types of missions. Please stop pretending that you have the first clue how a qrf would operate in a situation like this.

I get really tired of you telling me what I don't know. How about saving that advice for your conservative buddies who post some of the most ignorant stuff I have ever read. Quick reaction force isn't instant reaction force. Because an event is occurring an hours flight time away does not mean we can intervene in an hour. You, yourself said it would take one to two hours to get airborne. Having drones in the air does not mean you can see forces waiting in buildings or staged a distance away. You even mention the problems with sending an assault force into a sovereign nation.

I gave my opinion of what I thought the situation might have been. You could have come in and pointed out where you thought my ideas were wrong. But you do not seem capable of doing that without throwing in an insult.

I may not know all the details of how a qrf works, but I do know that very little works as planned. And I do know that I know very little of the situation on the ground and neither do you.

[mostpost]

someone once said, "The truth is always nice, even if it hurts"

I googled that quote and got one hit. Your post in Pace Advantage off topic.

[lsbets]

If you get tired of me telling you what you don't know than stop trying to act like an expert on things you have no clue about. I told you before I will never dispute your expertise on licking stamps. Stick to that and you're okay. You have a long history of trying to be an expert on things you don't comprehend. Everything from tax rates in people's own towns to parenting.

We could have had a force on the ground in 2-3 hours. They would have been in time to save the people who died at the annex. Someone made the call to not send them. I would like to know why. Others then decided to make up a story about what happened. Again I would like to know why. And who. The lie about what happened led to riots in numerous other countries and the scapegoat being jailed. Maybe you are okay with what occurred. I am not and I think we deserve answers.

[Greyfox]

And I do know that I know very little of the situation on the ground and neither do you.

Therein lies the problem we are addressing in this thread.

Would you care to speculate as to why we haven't been given more information?

[delayjf]

As for the Special Ops forces at Sigonella, Italy,

What I would like to know is where were the Marines when all this was going down. There is always a MEU afloat in the Med - that's a battalion of Marines with helo support as well as fighter support. With everything going on in the region, I find it hard to believe they could not have provided the support required.

[Greyfox]

What I would like to know is where were the Marines when all this was going down. There is always a MEU afloat in the Med - that's a battalion of Marines with helo support as well as fighter support. With everything going on in the region, I find it hard to believe they could not have provided the support required.

Maybe that's why Rear Admiral Gaouette has been given a temporary reassignment?

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2012/10/navy-replaces-admiral-leading-mideast-strike-group-because-of-ongoing-investigation/

[Greyfox]

Charles Woods, the father of Tyrone Woods, the fallen Navy Seal speaks out.

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[ArlJim78]

I googled that quote and got one hit. Your post in Pace Advantage off topic.
different punctuation.
http://www.paceadvantage.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1352768&postcount=6

[fast4522]

So did you guys change your mind and decide that he is black after all. I never seen a white or mixed race Kenyan. Or, are you saying that he is Kenyan in the sense of the whole "birther" thing which he settled by providing a copy of birth certificate. Or, is it option three, that you could possibly be racist? I am not calling you one, but rather asking if you are one because the context in which you said "this Kenyan" was not really necessary when referring to the President. So, which is it: wacko, studid, ignorant, or racist? Combo of each of them?

Birther nor skin color was the thought, I was watching Barack Hussein Obama on late night TV talking of his friend Donald Trump about when they were both little boys back in Kenya. Seriously I was noting Kenyans as being runners by fact that they are often are winners of marathons, and that this marathon runner may not be able to outrun his odds. I may not be perfect in the use of my words but I really was not considering your feelings, consider that anyone who fails to do ones duty and the result that there is a loss of life, that they may be subject to being called every name in the book. In any event expect more material to appear right there in your home on your television set in the coming days, and then we will both be right here slinging it. :bang:

[Greyfox]

Judge Jeanine Pirro weighs in on Benghazi.

Mg-e71IDAUw

[Greyfox]

Riddle me this.

The latest timeline version of events at Benghazi says that a drone was there but it was only providing a live time audio feed.

Does it make any sense to anyone why a drone would be sent to monitor audio?

I ain't buying. If a drone was present, there must be a video somewhere.

[FantasticDan]

New Benghazi Account Bolsters CIA

http://news.yahoo.com/detailed-account-benghazi-attack-notes-cias-quick-response-020906681--abc-news-politics.html

[Tom]

or as we call it around here, the cover up. YAHOOOOOOOO!

[bigmack]

New Benghazi Account Bolsters CIA

http://news.yahoo.com/detailed-account-benghazi-attack-notes-cias-quick-response-020906681--abc-news-politics.html
I rarely look at your 'fact checking' but now that I do, may I say, it SUCKS.

ABC/Yahoo - Get outta town.

[fast4522]

What is super apparent to me here @ Pace Advantage in off topic is the love of country, it is almost non existent, not saying by all, but its really scary.

[FantasticDan]

I rarely look at your 'fact checking' but now that I do, may I say, it SUCKS.
ABC/Yahoo - Get outta town.The article I linked was written by Martha Raddatz.. what a terrible reputation she has :lol:

[bigmack]

The article I linked was written by Martha Raddatz.. what a terrible reputation she has :lol:
You laugh at odd things. How about if you start thinking for yourself rather than try & deflect from any criticism of this admin? You just can't STAND to see them criticized EVER - Is that why you constantly throw in links that supposedly debunk everything?

Let's start with this quote -

"There were no orders to anybody to stand down in providing support," said the official.

Now, why do you suppose JoeyB said to Woods' father about gonads the size of cue balls? Because he was FOLLOWING orders?

[mostpost]

The problem is no one is afraid of the United States anymore. During George W. Bush's term the world respected and feared us and there were no attacks on our embassies.




Except for these:
22 January 2002 Calcutta, India Harkat-ul-Jihad al-Islami gunmen attack Consulate 5
14 June 2002 Karachi, Pakistan al-Qaeda truck bomb detonates outside Consulate (more details) 12
12 October 2002 Denpasar, Indonesia Consular Office bombed by Jemaah Islamiyah as part of the Bali bombings none
28 February 2003 Islamabad, Pakistan Unknown gunmen attack Embassy 2
30 June 2004 Tashkent, Uzbekistan Islamic Movement of Uzbekistan suicide bomber attacks Embassy 2
6 December 2004 Jeddah, Saudi Arabia al-Qaeda gunmen raid diplomatic compound 9
2 March 2006 Karachi, Pakistan Car bomb explodes outside Consulate 2
12 September 2006 Demascuc, Syria Gunmen raid US Embassy 4
12 January 2007 Athens, Greece RPG Fired at Embassy by Revolutionary Struggle none
18 March 2008 Sana'a, Yemen Mortar attack against US Embassy 2
9 July 2008 Istanbul, Turkey Armed attack against Consulate (more details) 6
17 September 2008 Sana'a, Yemen Two car bombs outside US embassy in Yemeni capital 16

Twelve attacks. Sixty people dead. Of course most of those were not Americans so they don't count.

BTW, the first paragraph? That was sarcasm. Only here would I have to explain that.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorist_attacks_on_U.S._diplomatic_facilities

[boxcar]

The problem is no one is afraid of the United States anymore. During George W. Bush's term the world respected and feared us and there were no attacks on our embassies.




Except for these:
22 January 2002 Calcutta, India Harkat-ul-Jihad al-Islami gunmen attack Consulate 5
14 June 2002 Karachi, Pakistan al-Qaeda truck bomb detonates outside Consulate (more details) 12
12 October 2002 Denpasar, Indonesia Consular Office bombed by Jemaah Islamiyah as part of the Bali bombings none
28 February 2003 Islamabad, Pakistan Unknown gunmen attack Embassy 2
30 June 2004 Tashkent, Uzbekistan Islamic Movement of Uzbekistan suicide bomber attacks Embassy 2
6 December 2004 Jeddah, Saudi Arabia al-Qaeda gunmen raid diplomatic compound 9
2 March 2006 Karachi, Pakistan Car bomb explodes outside Consulate 2
12 September 2006 Demascuc, Syria Gunmen raid US Embassy 4
12 January 2007 Athens, Greece RPG Fired at Embassy by Revolutionary Struggle none
18 March 2008 Sana'a, Yemen Mortar attack against US Embassy 2
9 July 2008 Istanbul, Turkey Armed attack against Consulate (more details) 6
17 September 2008 Sana'a, Yemen Two car bombs outside US embassy in Yemeni capital 16

Twelve attacks. Sixty people dead. Of course most of those were not Americans so they don't count.

BTW, the first paragraph? That was sarcasm. Only here would I have to explain that.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorist_attacks_on_U.S._diplomatic_facilities

But the brightest, sharpest, most intelligent guy in the room didn't know all these things before the fact? Is that why BO refused to beef us security at the compound with all those discretionary funds at his command? Because you're so much brighter than he is, and far more qualified to serve as CIC? :lol: :lol:

Boxcar

[ElKabong]

If Obie wins, which looks 50/50....Impeached NLT June 2014. Likely before Feb 2014

If Obie loses, expect the media to finally wake up since they don't have to cover his back anymore. They'll rip his ass up like a jackel on a rat on NatGeo.

Worst
Preznit
Ever

[mostpost]

If Obie wins, which looks 50/50....Impeached NLT June 2014. Likely before Feb 2014

If Obie loses, expect the media to finally wake up since they don't have to cover his back anymore. They'll rip his ass up like a jackel on a rat on NatGeo.

Worst
Preznit
Ever

You are nuts. There are no grounds to impeach. Stop watching Fox News. Stop listening to Limbaugh. Stop reading Breitbart. They are all lying to you.

[PaceAdvantage]

You are nuts. There are no grounds to impeach. Stop watching Fox News. Stop listening to Limbaugh. Stop reading Breitbart. They are all lying to you.Isn't what you really meant to type "Stop thinking for yourself. The Government is here to help you think."

[JustRalph]

You are nuts. There are no grounds to impeach. Stop watching Fox News. Stop listening to Limbaugh. Stop reading Breitbart. They are all lying to you.

It's way early, who knows what comes of this thing. The coverup is almost always worse than the crime. Conspiracy is a crime btw.....

[Tom]

Here is what we know for sure....

Thanks to mostie, all embassies are at risk, so not to have security on the 9/11 in a nation full of unrest was totally irresponsible of Obama.

Four Americans called for help, none came, and days later, CNN just walked in and picked up confidential papers in a still unsecured site.

Spin it however you want , Obama and Hillary failed and people are dead.
Yahoo that.

[mostpost]

Isn't what you really meant to type "Stop thinking for yourself. The Government is here to help you think."
I typed what I meant to type. Fox News keeps reporting information based on something that someone heard from someone else who knows someone. Their favorite phrase is "my sources tell me." Well who are your sources? Where do they get their information? What position do they hold in the government? Do they even exist?

The ABC News/Yahoo report, on the other hand, comes from senior intelligence officials. It is true that no names are given, but it is a direct report from someone speaking directly to the reporters. Furthermore as Fantastic Dan has pointed out these are respected reporters from respected news organizations.
They are not shills from Faux News.

[johnhannibalsmith]

I typed what I meant to type. Fox News keeps reporting information based on something that someone heard from someone else who knows someone. Their favorite phrase is "my sources tell me." Well who are your sources? Where do they get their information? What position do they hold in the government? Do they even exist?

The ABC News/Yahoo report, on the other hand, comes from senior intelligence officials. It is true that no names are given, but it is a direct report from someone speaking directly to the reporters. Furthermore as Fantastic Dan has pointed out these are respected reporters from respected news organizations.
They are not shills from Faux News.

Good point, except that most of the bullshit information that we have heard has come directly from those "reliable" sources. I'd just assume that someone say that "my sources tell me" as opposed to "intelligence reports" or "according to Susan Rice" at this point. There are no reliable sources. That, in a nutshell, is my problem with this.

[mostpost]

Here is what we know for sure....

Thanks to mostie, all embassies are at risk, so not to have security on the 9/11 in a nation full of unrest was totally irresponsible of Obama.
Darn, you found me out. It was me who ordered security at the embassies to be reduced.

Four Americans called for help, none came, and days later, CNN just walked in and picked up confidential papers in a still unsecured site.
This is patently false. Help was on its way within minutes of the attack. A CIA security team was dispatched almost as soon as the attack began, and in spite of the fact that their arms were inferior to the attackers, they repelled the attack and allowed the American personnel to be evacuated. There were also Special ops forces on the way from Europe.

Spin it however you want , Obama and Hillary failed and people are dead.
Yahoo that.
According to the timeline, the CIA reinforcements reached the compound by 10;30 and all surviving personnel were evacuated before 11:30; less than two hours after the attack began. There is no way any help from Europe could have arrived in that time and I don't give a damn what lsbets thinks.

days later, CNN just walked in and picked up confidential papers in a still unsecured site.
I don't know what type of "Confidential papers" CNN found. In 1967 I worked in the classified documents section of Eighth Army Depot Command/Eighth Army Rear in Taegu, Korea. Without fear of revealing any National Secrets, I can tell you there is very little crucial information in a confidential document.
Most of the confidential documents we received were weather reports from the DMZ. I hardly think that is something that is a big secret; especially 45 years later.

[mostpost]

Good point, except that most of the bullshit information that we have heard has come directly from those "reliable" sources. I'd just assume that someone say that "my sources tell me" as opposed to "intelligence reports" or "according to Susan Rice" at this point. There are no reliable sources. That, in a nutshell, is my problem with this.
Information that is obtained later is always more reliable than information obtained right after or during an event. The CIA has now had a chance to interview people who were present at the attack. The interviews can be analyzed and coordinated to form a coherent picture.

Any information coming out of Libya on Sept 11 or 12 was chaotic. Nobody really knew what was going on in the several locations involved. It would have been very easy for someone to misinterpret a remark or to hear something based on their own biases and jump to a wrong conclusion.

You are probably familiar with the parlor game where one person tells a story to another person. Then that person repeats the story, as best he can, to a third person. By the time the story gets to the fifth or sixth person, it is almost unrecognizable. If that is the case, then imagine how it must be in a chaotic situation like Benghazi.

That is the reason the most recent information in this episode is most likely the most reliable. Interviews were conducted, information was written down, statements were transcribed, the whole thing was analyzed by different people.

I have no answer for Susan Rice, except to offer the opinion that what she was trying to do at the UN was assuage Muslim anger at the video rather than to assess blame for the attack. After all there were demonstrations at other embassies because of the video, even if there was none in Benghazi.

[PaceAdvantage]

Information that is obtained later is always more reliable than information obtained right after or during an event. The CIA has now had a chance to interview people who were present at the attack. The interviews can be analyzed and coordinated to form a coherent picture.

Any information coming out of Libya on Sept 11 or 12 was chaotic. Nobody really knew what was going on in the several locations involved. It would have been very easy for someone to misinterpret a remark or to hear something based on their own biases and jump to a wrong conclusion.

You are probably familiar with the parlor game where one person tells a story to another person. Then that person repeats the story, as best he can, to a third person. By the time the story gets to the fifth or sixth person, it is almost unrecognizable. If that is the case, then imagine how it must be in a chaotic situation like Benghazi.

That is the reason the most recent information in this episode is most likely the most reliable. Interviews were conducted, information was written down, statements were transcribed, the whole thing was analyzed by different people.

I have no answer for Susan Rice, except to offer the opinion that what she was trying to do at the UN was assuage Muslim anger at the video rather than to assess blame for the attack. After all there were demonstrations at other embassies because of the video, even if there was none in Benghazi.It's amazing the right-leaners on here get a bum rap from left-leaners about how far they will go to rationalize and justify, when exactly the same thing happens on the other side of the aisle, as evidenced above...

And then they have the nerve to call such rationalizations "intelligent, thoughtful replies...or in the vernacular of mostpost, "Globetrotter vs. General" :lol:

[HUSKER55]

wasn't it the unions that pushed for journalists not to have to reveal their sources?

[johnhannibalsmith]

...I have no answer for Susan Rice, except to offer the opinion that what she was trying to do at the UN was assuage Muslim anger at the video rather than to assess blame for the attack. After all there were demonstrations at other embassies because of the video, even if there was none in Benghazi.

Well, what she was doing was repeating what every spokesperson for the administration had been insisting for days and days and days. When I hear about what sure resembles a coordinated terrorist attack on an embassy, coincidentally on the anniversary of the most infamous coordinated terrorist attack, and the administration is INSISTENT that it was spontaneous reaction to some bogus film, pardon me if I refuse to believe the next wave of spin without some mighty trepidation. It isn't their job to "assuage Muslim anger" as a priority, it is their job to report accurate and timely information to the people that they answer to - you, me, and everyone else stupid enough to pay their salaries.

I don't believe for one second that they weren't aware immediately that what was happening wasn't an act of deliberate terror. It was the singular logical explanation in the context and it was supported by at least as much evidence that there was to make the case that the administration pressed on and on with. Were it not for people refusing to buy into the bullshit coming from those wonderful reliable sources, this "information obtained later" that you refer to would probably have never seen the light of day. Maybe it would have, but given the credibility factor of this administration in its willingness to release information or in how they chose to release it, I'm not about to give them the benefit of the doubt.

[fast4522]

Today I read Obama tell a crowd to vote for him for revenge. "VOTING IS THE BEST REVENGE", Mitt Romney responds to another crowd:

GOP nominee Mitt Romney began his final weekend campaign blitz in New Hampshire Saturday morning, ripping President Obama for telling supporters that "voting is the best revenge."

"Vote for revenge? Let me tell you: Vote for love of country," Romney said to cheers.

http://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/265727-romney-rips-obama-on-voting-is-the-best-revenge-remark

Only one message is truly an American message.

[TrifectaMike]

I typed what I meant to type. Fox News keeps reporting information based on something that someone heard from someone else who knows someone. Their favorite phrase is "my sources tell me." Well who are your sources? Where do they get their information? What position do they hold in the government? Do they even exist?


They got their information from a source (Harry Reid), who go it from a source, who got it from another source ( an unknown mailman).

Mike

[dartman51]

Well, what she was doing was repeating what every spokesperson for the administration had been insisting for days and days and days. When I hear about what sure resembles a coordinated terrorist attack on an embassy, coincidentally on the anniversary of the most infamous coordinated terrorist attack, and the administration is INSISTENT that it was spontaneous reaction to some bogus film, pardon me if I refuse to believe the next wave of spin without some mighty trepidation. It isn't their job to "assuage Muslim anger" as a priority, it is their job to report accurate and timely information to the people that they answer to - you, me, and everyone else stupid enough to pay their salaries.

I don't believe for one second that they weren't aware immediately that what was happening wasn't an act of deliberate terror. It was the singular logical explanation in the context and it was supported by at least as much evidence that there was to make the case that the administration pressed on and on with. Were it not for people refusing to buy into the bullshit coming from those wonderful reliable sources, this "information obtained later" that you refer to would probably have never seen the light of day. Maybe it would have, but given the credibility factor of this administration in its willingness to release information or in how they chose to release it, I'm not about to give them the benefit of the doubt.

Very well said. Have you noticed that when they do something that makes them look good, such as killing Bin Laden, information comes out immediately. Even details that shouldn't. When something goes wrong, they stonewall and outright lie. There is absolutely NO excuse for Congress not to have every shred of evidence in this case. :ThmbUp:

[HUSKER55]

yes there is, it will make BO look bad come election

[ElKabong]

You are nuts. There are no grounds to impeach. Stop watching Fox News. Stop listening to Limbaugh. Stop reading Breitbart. They are all lying to you.
.

[Tom]

Seriously mostie, how do you look at yourself in the mirror?

[boxcar]

Seriously mostie, how do you look at yourself in the mirror?

Easy. He has removed all of them from his home.

Boxcar

[Tom]

I thought that was Dracula?

[JustRalph]

The mainstream papers joining the bandwagon. They figure it won't hurt Obama's election chances at this late date

http://weeklystandard.com/blogs/papers-blast-obama-over-benghazi_660248.html

The Washington post is interesting. No more Woodward and Bernstein though

[boxcar]

I thought that was Dracula?

Aren't all bloodsucking liberals?

Boxcar

[fast4522]

Almost four years ago this guy stepped up the class warfare attack, regardless who may win Pennsylvania Avenue come Tuesday we must wage war with all liberals for the next four years. What, you guys really think this will all go away with a vote Tuesday, forget that. If Barack Hussein Obama gets beat Tuesday they will still go after him for Benghazi, and should he win, Benghazi will haunt him for years. Either way this festered sore on our republic must have its pound of flesh, because the alternative is a country in decline owned by communist China.

[Tom]

Aren't all bloodsucking liberals?

Boxcar

Well played! :D

[FantasticDan]

Seriously mostie, how do you look at yourself in the mirror?
http://www.vegasnews.com/wp-content/uploads/Harlem-Globetrotters-Special-K-Daley-5702.jpg

[JustRalph]

Almost four years ago this guy stepped up the class warfare attack, regardless who may win Pennsylvania Avenue come Tuesday we must wage war with all liberals for the next four years. What, you guys really think this will all go away with a vote Tuesday, forget that. If Barack Hussein Obama gets beat Tuesday they will still go after him for Benghazi, and should he win, Benghazi will haunt him for years. Either way this festered sore on our republic must have its pound of flesh, because the alternative is a country in decline owned by communist China.

Actually in some ways if he wins he is totally screwed. His legacy will be completely ruined. In fact, after two years there will be another election and the Senate goes up Repub by 5 in my guess. He won't get crap done. The economy flounders under Obama care. He will go down in history as the most divisive in history and the Tea Party continues to grow.

The college kids who have graduated over the last few years will be into their 5th or 6 th year of a shitty job and they will turn right in droves. If he gets re elected he may become the greatet recruiter the Repubs have ever seen.

The real problem with another obama term is the Supreme court and the terrible suffering that will only worsen due to the flat/negative economy. A true lost decade.

He will be the shame of the Dem party. He will be pounding nails with Jimmy Carter on Habitat for Humanity houses and giving speeches to keep his wife and kids in the manner they are accustomed. Kind of like if he loses in a few days. There will be much less shame if he goes away now.

[ElKabong]

The mainstream papers joining the bandwagon. They figure it won't hurt Obama's election chances at this late date

http://weeklystandard.com/blogs/papers-blast-obama-over-benghazi_660248.html

The Washington post is interesting. No more Woodward and Bernstein though

Woodward was interviewed Thursday about this. He said this deserves its own investigation, and not one headed by Congress b/c of it being majority Dem

When asked if he was "disappointed" of the lack of attention this has rec'd up to this point he pretty much agreed that it had been played too low so far.....But said steam would pick up likely in the Spring after the new members of the House are seated. It's not something that will disappear..., too many unanswered questions, too many journalists that would do anything to be the next Woodward-Bernstein team to break the next big scandal on a lame duck president

[ElKabong]

Almost four years ago this guy stepped up the class warfare attack, .

49-51% of the voting populace will badger their Reps and Senators to block anything and everything Obama and Dems push. Obamacare was the last straw for conservatives, it's pretty much a war from here on out. Wwe can't trust Dems, esp Obama, to play by the rules. The way Obamacare was "passed" in the middle of the night before it went to the USSC lost "the middle" as well as Cons.

Just read JR's post about a 2nd term for Obie...pretty much agree.....If Romney wins, we won't have to worry about it, but if Obama wins the next 4 yrs will be worse than the previous - or certainly no better. Obama owns the past 4 miserable years, the next 4 will turn a generation Red much like the Carter disaster did

A political win either way for Repubs, but the country loses big if Obama is reelected

[lsbets]

There is no way any help from Europe could have arrived in that time and I don't give a damn what lsbets thinks.

.

Mostie - we are not talking about the fine art of licking stamps. We are talking about military operations, an area where my knowledge level is so far above yours it is ridiculous, despite the fact that you claimed I have not fought in a "real war". I would have replied earlier today, but I spent all afternoon with one of the children you say I don't care about.

Do yourself a favor, stick to topics you know, like being dishonest, licking stamps, kissing Obama's ass, and being a miserable old man. Any decent topics are well beyond your reach.

[Track Collector]

The mainstream papers joining the bandwagon. They figure it won't hurt Obama's election chances at this late date

http://weeklystandard.com/blogs/papers-blast-obama-over-benghazi_660248.html

The Washington post is interesting. No more Woodward and Bernstein though

I think this was mentioned by Rush Limbaugh.

Liberal newspapers like the Washington Post are taking out insurance in case Obama loses on Tuesday. If Obama is not re-elected, it will be because of things like this "security disaster". His loss can never be blamed on IDEOLOGY differences, because if it was, it would be a huge rejection of liberalism.

Although there are not very many fence sitters at this point, I believe this news before the election can still hurt Obama.

[mostpost]

Mostie - we are not talking about the fine art of licking stamps. We are talking about military operations, an area where my knowledge level is so far above yours it is ridiculous, despite the fact that you claimed I have not fought in a "real war". I would have replied earlier today, but I spent all afternoon with one of the children you say I don't care about.

Do yourself a favor, stick to topics you know, like being dishonest, licking stamps, kissing Obama's ass, and being a miserable old man. Any decent topics are well beyond your reach.

Seriously, you're a complete douche.
The proof of my assertion lies in what actually occurred, not what you think should have occurred.
From the following link:
http://news.yahoo.com/timeline-events-surrounding-libya-rescue-effort-000302910.html

— 12:30 a.m. The first U.S. military unit is ordered to begin moving to Libya. By 3 a.m., two teams of special operations forces — one from Fort Bragg, N.C., and one from central Europe — and a Marine anti-terrorism unit are preparing to depart.

Two and one half hours after the order is given, the units are preparing to depart. Not departing. Preparing to depart. If the order was given at the time the attacks began-9:40 PM-the units would have still been at their home bases at 12:10 AM Libyan time.

AT 12:10 the ambassador is likely already dead or so badly wounded he cannot survive, and the survivors have left the main compound for the CIA annex.

This same article says that the additional reinforcements from Tripoli landed at the Benghazi airport at 1:00 AM yet could not reach the annex until almost 5:!5. What makes you think that forces coming from the United States or even Central Europe could have gotten there any faster.

I know that someone here said there were Special Ops forces in Italy an hour away. I seriously doubt that is true. If it was true, why would we send forces from Ft. Bragg and from Central Europe? I sincerely hope you do not respond with the truly stupid answer, "Because it's Obama."

[HUSKER55]

you do know that BO is the person resposible for this because he is the president and during his last debate he said so.

[fast4522]

I do not see this guy getting a pass if he loses his second term as President. He will be eligible to serve as President down the road for one term. Should Barack Hussein Obama fail to win Tuesday, forget about any documents that he had sealed, and god help him if there is anything damning in them.