Poll: do you support politics with time or money?

[GameTheory]

In this campaign cycle (say within the last year), donated time or money to any political party, advocacy group, or individual candidate, i.e. have you offered any tangible political support? Lawn signs and bumper stickers don't count.

[Actor]

In this campaign cycle (say within the last year), donated time or money to any political party, advocacy group, or individual candidate, i.e. have you offered any tangible political support? Lawn signs and bumper stickers don't count.

Donated money
Put in time down at campaign HQ
Bought donuts
Provided a fridge

[johnhannibalsmith]

I think I checked the box to give a buck on my piles of forms to report less money than a decent signer. No comments Stinky. ;)

[TJDave]

I give almost exclusively to local candidates. Sometimes cash but mainly "in-kind" gifts...use of a van or space for a campaign office, etc. Party affiliation makes little difference. It just comes down to talking and feeling them out. Sometimes I'll try and vote out someone I don't like.

[bigmack]

I give almost exclusively to local candidates.
Huhh? Local politicks suck. I make a habit of avoiding local news at all costs.
---

I worked on the Dole campaign, 'cause I thought it involved bananas.

I gave some dough to McCain & I gave some loot to Brylcreem.

In 2014 I plan to eRect a memorial to the ALL THE SHIT that came out about the BO years that was shady.

[fast4522]

Jpegs are fast and cheep.

[ArlJim78]

time: no.
money: yes, modestly

[Robert Goren]

When I was young and stupid, I did donate some time to the republican party in a non presidential year. I have been involved couple of attempts to legalize casino gambling in Nebraska. As I look back at, I consider a waste of time. I wouldn't do it again.

[PaceAdvantage]

Jpegs are fast and cheep.With that hairdo, Obama ends up looking like that homeless guy with the golden voice who had his 15 minutes of fame a year or so ago....remember that guy? :lol:

[elysiantraveller]

With that hairdo, Obama ends up looking like that homeless guy with the golden voice who had his 15 minutes of fame a year or so ago....remember that guy? :lol:

Good call...

http://cdn2.blogs.babble.com/famecrawler/files/2011/01/Ted-williams-on-CBS.jpg

[Dahoss9698]

Interesting results so far.

These results tell me that while people like to talk a big game here in off topic, very few of you actually back that game up with time and/or money.

So in essence, you spend a good deal of time talking about stuff, while other people are out there actually doing stuff.

Awesome.

[Tom]

We are too busy carrying 47% of the voters.
Hard to be a community organizer and hold a job at the same time.
Not to worry - Mitt is rich and Obama has all that illegal foreign money coming in.

And, race only matters to idiots.

[elysiantraveller]

Interesting results so far.

These results tell me that while people like to talk a big game here in off topic, very few of you actually back that game up with time and/or money.

So in essence, you spend a good deal of time talking about stuff, while other people are out there actually doing stuff.

Awesome.

I'm a little surprised as well.

I haven't really had the time this cycle but I have contributed both locally and nationally.

[johnhannibalsmith]

Interesting results so far.

These results tell me that while people like to talk a big game here in off topic, very few of you actually back that game up with time and/or money.

So in essence, you spend a good deal of time talking about stuff, while other people are out there actually doing stuff.

Awesome.

I buy plenty of crap at the supermarket and whatnot. I sleep well knowing a good chunk of that is rolling uphill to both parties.

[ArlJim78]

Interesting results so far.

These results tell me that while people like to talk a big game here in off topic, very few of you actually back that game up with time and/or money.

So in essence, you spend a good deal of time talking about stuff, while other people are out there actually doing stuff.

Awesome.
no one can say you're not consistent.
contribute nothing, offer no opinions on the substance, only bash others.
awesome.

[Dahoss9698]

no one can say you're not consistent.
contribute nothing, offer no opinions on the substance, only bash others.
awesome.
I actually did offer an opinion on the substance. The substance is a poll on if people contribute time or money to politics.

I offered my opinion on the results. You might not like my opinion, because it points out how ridiculous it is to spend so much time talking on a message board about something, while not really backing that talk up with actual actions....but I'm on topic.

[Tom]

We talk about the candidates.
We vote.
And we hopefully convince others to do so as well.

You talk about us. :rolleyes:




If what we do is such a waste of time, what do you think that says about you? :lol:

[Dahoss9698]

I'm going to avoid the obvious attempts to draw me into an off topic pissing match.

I made my point and now I'm going to enjoy watching people justify the fact they do little more than run their mouths while others are actually out there supporting their ideas and beliefs and not whining on a message board.

[Tom]

Nicely played.

[ArlJim78]

I actually did offer an opinion on the substance. The substance is a poll on if people contribute time or money to politics.

I offered my opinion on the results. You might not like my opinion, because it points out how ridiculous it is to spend so much time talking on a message board about something, while not really backing that talk up with actual actions....but I'm on topic.
No, I simply dont care about your opinion of others on here. I've seen your opinions of others on a daily basis over thousands of posts. nothing new there.

The subject here is what do YOU do with your time, not your opinion of what others do. you offered nothing about how much time YOU put in. it's just another weak redboard, you make no selection but criticize the selections of others.

my world laughs at the weakness of your posts.:lol:

[elysiantraveller]

my world laughs at the weakness of your posts.:lol:

Come off it a little...

You have to admit that with the amount of bitching that goes on here about politics that its a little surprising that only, Actor, Bigmack, you and myself are the only ones that have contributed time and/or money...

I don't want to accuse certain people or generalize but I, personally, am very surprised by the number being shown.

He has a point...

EDIT) TJDAVE gets in too...

[bigmack]

my world laughs at the weakness of your posts.
I laugh at the creep as he knows he's down to less than two weeks in this world. He's trying to match all the fecal smudge he has in his shorts in posts here.

The best part of it all is that the more combative he becomes, as the clock winds down, the more his chewy nugget center comes out. Turd-like. :D

What a fool.

He has a point...

Oh really? Ax him how much he does/gives for horse rescue.

That's a laugh. Degenerate gambler giving back.

[elysiantraveller]

I buy plenty of crap at the supermarket and whatnot. I sleep well knowing a good chunk of that is rolling uphill to both parties.

I don't think anyone would be talking/thinking about you... You have articulated your position just fine around here.

[elysiantraveller]

Oh really? Ax him how much he does/gives for horse rescue.

That's a laugh. Degenerate gambler giving back.

Are you suprised that the yes column has only 4 names in it? Yes/No?

[bigmack]

Are you suprised that the yes column has only 4 names in it? Yes/No?
I think it's ridiculous. Just because subjects get bandied about doesn't mean people have to have skin in the game. It's the same trip dopes like him take when they say someone can't have an opinion about a race if they don't bet.

I can understand GameT starting the thread but for people to judge others based on their personal involvement is overrigorous.

[GameTheory]

BTW, I'm definitely in the NO camp -- I've never given a penny to any party. The idea of it makes me sick, frankly. These two parties? Or any other? No way. I have never registered with any party affiliation; even the idea of that bothers me. I've just allergic to joining groups with agendas -- I value my independent thought too much. (I have a feeling I would be asked to leave any such group before long.) Being sort of an outsider/observer of that type of stuff is almost a life calling with me. I could never ever ever go to any type of rally and cheer some politician -- I can't even conceive of it.

But people are social animals, and in large part get their identity from the groups they are in (which is why cool reasoning is a hopeless strategy to shake them loose and get them to join your group instead). I'm not critical of that in itself, that's just how humans are.

Then of course there is the idea that "this is important", you've got to choose sides and fight for what's right and all that. And if I *really* felt the entire republic was in danger of imminent failure then I'd go get involved if the stakes were that high. (I do get some identity from being an American, after all, even if I don't want to go join a subgroup.) But I feel also there is some value in having a handful of outsider/analyst types -- not everyone has the same role. (It is not apathy that keeps me away.) If I were going to go join a group, I'd likely found and lead that group since I'm allergic to following but have no problem being boss. Only in a real existential type conflict where I'd actually have to pick up a gun and go fight could I accept the "don't think and do what you are told" role.

So, I vote and I have preferences, sometimes I like to talk about it (I like to get at the truth of things, not tell people what they should do). But money, time, rah rah rah? Ick. Am I part of the problem? You decide, but again I don't think we need EVERYBODY to pick a side and be fighting.

Anyway, I was just wondering the level of involvement, and I don't fault anybody either way...

[ArlJim78]

Come off it a little...

You have to admit that with the amount of bitching that goes on here about politics that its a little surprising that only, Actor, Bigmack, you and myself are the only ones that have contributed time and/or money...

I don't want to accuse certain people or generalize but I, personally, am very surprised by the number being shown.

He has a point...

EDIT) TJDAVE gets in too...
I'm not surprised that only 4 have responded as contributing time or money. In general politics and politicians are a slimey bunch who always have their hands out begging for money. It's a dirty business and not everyone's cup of tea.

It shouldn't be a requirement to have contributed time or money to a political campaign in order to complain or care about or get vocal about politics or the state of the union. I see nothing wrong with that.

[Dahoss9698]

For the sake of clarity, and because I can see some are hellbent in twisting my words, I don't think anyone HAS to do anything. No one is required to do anything.

I just thought that for people who are so passionate about politics, they would WANT to have some skin in it. Having an opinion is fine and not everyone has the time and/or resources.

But there are a lot of people here, who spend a lot of time whining and it was kind of eye opening to see that so few (so far) decide to do anything more than complain to a bunch of other people who aren't doing anything other than complaining.

[bigmack]

But there are a lot of people here, who spend a lot of time whining and it was kind of eye opening to see that so few (so far) decide to do anything more than complain to a bunch of other people who aren't doing anything other than complaining.
Want a good laugh? Re-read the multitudes of threads about Z, and YOU complaining incessantly. Between Blame not getting HoY to kids taking Z too serious, you just about soiled yourself.

Now THAT was a REAL display of whining & complaining.

[Dahoss9698]

Want a good laugh? Re-read the multitudes of threads about Z, and YOU complaining incessantly. Between Blame not getting HoY to kids taking Z too serious, you just about soiled yourself.

Now THAT was a REAL display of whining & complaining.
So much for staying on topic, huh? As i said already, I'm not interested in another piss fest.

I gave my opinion, which you disagree with. That's fine, we can agree to disagree on yet another thing.

[bigmack]

So much for staying on topic, huh? As i said already, I'm not interested in another piss fest.
I gave my opinion, which you disagree with. That's fine, we can agree to disagree on yet another thing.
I have little interest in your 'softening' as you've shown your true nature to be a stone cold creep, but I suspect we CAN agree that this statement of yours is one steaming pile of dung, given your track record.

how ridiculous it is to spend so much time talking on a message board about something, while not really backing that talk up with actual actions.

[kingfin66]

Interesting results so far.

These results tell me that while people like to talk a big game here in off topic, very few of you actually back that game up with time and/or money.

So in essence, you spend a good deal of time talking about stuff, while other people are out there actually doing stuff.

Awesome.

You have to remember that a lot of the posters in off topic are on fixed incomes due to being retired, disabled or both. In other words, the 47 percent. They should be dems but are to stubborn to accept it.

[Dahoss9698]

I have little interest in your 'softening' as you've shown your true nature to be a stone cold creep, but I suspect we CAN agree that this statement of yours is one steaming pile of dung, given your track record.
That's kind of on topic, so I'll play along. What about that statement do you disagree with?

Extra points if you can respond without calling me a name, or having an emotional outburst. :ThmbUp:

[fast4522]

Interesting results so far.

These results tell me that while people like to talk a big game here in off topic, very few of you actually back that game up with time and/or money.

So in essence, you spend a good deal of time talking about stuff, while other people are out there actually doing stuff.

Awesome.

Perception is a funny thing, like the one about republicans are all rich.

Truth is that most are not, but are hard working people who feel the absolute last place they want their money to go is the Federal Government for waste redistribution.

[bigmack]

That's kind of on topic, so I'll play along. What about that statement do you disagree with?

Extra points if you can respond without calling me a name, or having an emotional outburst.
i'm not a sports nerd, but I have no shortage of chums and see piles of people with ESPN constantly on and they unremittingly yap about sports.

Remind me what involvement they have.

I don't really need to go on about people with strong opinions while not having an iota of skin in the game/endeavor, do I?

I get why you bring it up here, as you're resentful people talk less of nags and more of politics, but you'll get over it.

[Dahoss9698]

i'm not a sports nerd, but I have no shortage of chums and see piles of people with ESPN constantly on and they unremittingly yap about sports.

Remind me what involvement they have.

I don't really need to go on about people with strong opinions while not having an iota of skin in the game/endeavor, do I?

I get why you bring it up here, as you're resentful people talk less of nags and more of politics, but you'll get over it.
I thought you actually had a point as it related to the topic. My bad.

As for these nerds you speak of. I'd venture a guess that some of them actually attend sporting events. They purchase souvenirs, jerseys, etc. They do have skin in the game.

I get why you are emotional about this. but you'll get over it. or have another outburst. Either way it'll be great entertainment.

[FantasticDan]

I spent a couple weekends last year going door to door and distributing signs for a local Republican county legislator candidate. He's a guy I've known for more than 25 years, and I didn't let his unfortunate party affiliation interfere with my support :p :ThmbUp:

[bigmack]

I get why you are emotional about this. but you'll get over it. or have another outburst. Either way it'll be great entertainment.
Souvenirs & jerseys. :D

Sure, Bub. Slink away thinking you sleighed another angry white man.

Keep working on being LESS of a creep. I might let you stay, but I doubt it.

[boxcar]

Interesting results so far.

These results tell me that while people like to talk a big game here in off topic, very few of you actually back that game up with time and/or money.

So in essence, you spend a good deal of time talking about stuff, while other people are out there actually doing stuff.

Awesome.

Has it ever occurred to you that perhaps so many of us don't because the wise man knows that a fool and his money are soon parted? Or that one's time would be better invested in more productive activities that would bear good fruit? Has it ever occurred to you that the public perception is that politics has become nothing more than a career opportunity for pathological liars and a license to steal? Or has it ever occurred to you that our form of government today resembles more of an oligarchy than a constitutional republic?

So, remind us again of how much time and money you have devoted to the Obama campaign. Or to any campaign, for that matter. :rolleyes:

Boxcar

[Dahoss9698]

Souvenirs & jerseys. :D

Sure, Bub. Slink away thinking you sleighed another angry white man.

Keep working on being LESS of a creep. I might let you stay, but I doubt it.
well, you made it one post without a name. Baby steps.

So do you actually disagree with anything I said? Have you been to a sporting event lately? They aren't cheap. How about a jersey, etc? Also not cheap.

You responded, so you must have more to add than this bile, no?

[johnhannibalsmith]

I spent a couple weekends last year going door to door and distributing signs for a local Republican county legislator candidate. He's a guy I've known for more than 25 years, and I didn't let his unfortunate party affiliation interfere with my support :p :ThmbUp:

When I left school (the first time), I took a job where my status was technically "employed at the discretion of the Senate Majority Leader". About two years in, I was told I had to take a couple of days (a weekend for gawds sake) and go north in the direction of Tom and do campaign work. They were nice enough to pay for my girlfriend and I to stay at a Radisson or something and give us a stipend, but I dreaded it. A batallion of idiots like me went out the first day to a neighborhood with stupid trinkets and pamphlets and the first stop I made, some guy put the screws to me immediately.

"What do you want, money, a vote? What? Why should I do either for this bum?"

I couldn't do it, I just told him that I was being forced to come out here and pimp someone that I thought was a run-of-the-mill hack and just wanted to make a few stops, long enough to be seen by the others so they know I did my part. Then I was going back to my hotel, ordering a pizza, and going home the next day. I apologized for bugging him. He laughed, invited my girlfriend and I into the house and said we could hide out there and watch some of the Yankees game for a while.

I can't imagine how people can get gung-ho about stumping for any reason other than that scenario which you described. :ThmbUp:

[Tom]

Are you suprised that the yes column has only 4 names in it? Yes/No?

What percentage of all people donate money or time?
How that compare to the percentage here?

Right ow, it is 6/20.....23%

Think maybe the percentage here who do so is far ahead of the national average?

[Dahoss9698]

Has it ever occurred to you that perhaps so many of us don't because the wise man knows that a fool and his money are soon parted? Or that one's time would be better invested in more productive activities that would bear good fruit? Has it ever occurred to you that the public perception is that politics has become nothing more than a career opportunity for pathological liars and a license to steal? Or has it ever occurred to you that our form of government today resembles more of an oligarchy than a constitutional republic?

So, remind us again of how much time and money you have devoted to the Obama campaign. Or to any campaign, for that matter. :rolleyes:

Boxcar


So your time is better spent complaining about things here, than actually trying to make the changes you all talk about by doing things.

Makes perfect sense. :lol:

[Dahoss9698]

What percentage of all people donate money or time?
How that compare to the percentage here?

Right ow, it is 6/20.....23%

Think maybe the percentage here who do so is far ahead of the national average?
Most people don't spend as much time whining about politics as the people here do.

Terrible analogy.

[bigmack]

So do you actually disagree with anything I said? Have you been to a sporting event lately? They aren't cheap. How about a jersey, etc? Also not cheap.
Try and focus. You sniveled people are long with opinions and short on action when it comes to politics. Now you're making a case that 'action' on the part of a sports fan is buying a jersey, giving them more involvement than people who merely talk about quarterbacks and front guards.

See, that's hooey, plain & simple.

Next.

[rastajenk]

Most people don't spend as much time whining about politics as the people here do.

Terrible analogy.
You'll have to post a link, as they say in internet land, for that claim.

[bigmack]

I spent a couple weekends last year going door to door and distributing signs for a local Republican county legislator candidate. He's a guy I've known for more than 25 years, and I didn't let his unfortunate party affiliation interfere with my support
You KNOW Phil Davidson? :ThmbUp:

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[Dahoss9698]

Try and focus. You sniveled people are long with opinions and short on action when it comes to politics. Now you're making a case that 'action' on the part of a sports fan is buying a jersey, giving them more involvement than people who merely talk about quarterbacks and front guards.

See, that's hooey, plain & simple.

Next.
No, that isn't what I said.

You said people who talk about sports a lot have no skin in the game. I showed you that they do in fact, because they give not only their time, but also their money.

again, these fans have no obligation to do any of these things. Just like those of you who spend countless hours whining, have no obligation to actually do more than whine.

But some decide to actually do more than talk. Good for those people.

[Dahoss9698]

You'll have to post a link, as they say in internet land, for that claim.
Is this humor?

[fast4522]

If it is not worth borrowing money from China, it will face the chopping block.
Lets see who does all the whining now!

[bigmack]

Just like those of you who spend countless hours whining, have no obligation to actually do more than whine.
Again, it's clear your feeble attempt in your last couple of weeks here, but try NOT to be such a hypocrite. You know, holding the doltish masses back from voting in Z over Blame. I mean, talk about whining & soiling ones shorts. You were unhinged.

Other than that, hell of an argument you've got going with people buying jerseys. :lol:

[Tom]

Most people don't spend as much time whining about politics as the people here do.

Terrible analogy.

Good analogy.
Ever been to other boards?
We are dwarfed.

Besides, what the hell is the point of off topis but to talk about stuff that interests us? We talk about politics, you talk about us.

No one forces you to come here.

[johnhannibalsmith]

You KNOW Phil Davidson? :ThmbUp:

...

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

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[rastajenk]

Is this humor?
No. Are you?

[Tom]

They purchase souvenirs, jerseys, etc. They do have skin in the game.

That is having skin in the game?????
Oy vey!

We VOTE for the clods we argue about - we let them represent us and take care of our national security. That is skin in the game.

I bought a flag - is that skin in the game?

[Dahoss9698]

Again, it's clear your feeble attempt in your last couple of weeks here, but try NOT to be such a hypocrite. You know, holding the doltish masses back from voting in Z over Blame. I mean, talk about whining & soiling ones shorts. You were unhinged.

Other than that, hell of an argument you've got going with people buying jerseys. :lol:
Here's the problem. I'm discussing this topic and you're having an argument with me from 2 years ago.

Might be time to get over it. It might make you a little less angry and in turn you might have fewer emotional outbursts.

what exactly are you denying? That people who spend their money on tickets and souvenirs are not showing their support for things that they are passionate about? What would you call it then?

[bigmack]

What would you call it then?
Buying jerseys & souvenirs is a tip-top way to line the pockets of prima donna's. Try, just try, and make a case that it increases their 'involvement.'

Make no mistake my beef with you. You're a stone cold creep who will stop at nothing to smear his ugliness. Face it, you're a bitter chump that needs to get laid. Tough when ugliness is your biggest foot forward.

I've given you enough time. Crawl back into another DRF

[Dahoss9698]

Buying jerseys & souvenirs is a tip-top way to line the pockets of prima donna's. Try, just try, and make a case that it increases their 'involvement.'

Make no mistake my beef with you. You're a stone cold creep who will stop at nothing to smear his ugliness. Face it, you're a bitter chump that needs to get laid. Tough when ugliness is your biggest foot forward.

I've given you enough time. Crawl back into another DRF

You know...for someone who thinks they are so smart, you sure do have a hard time discussing what people actually say, instead of what you want them to say.

I've given you enough time. Crawl back into another glory hole.

[NJ Stinks]

I responded to the poll with a "no" but it not a clearcut no. For a long time while I worked I contributed to a political fund that my union controlled. These were voluntary contributions separate from my union dues. The fund was used to support politicians who voted favorably (more often than not) on issues that affected federal employees. Believe it or not, if you go back 15 or 20 years, the fund actually contributed to Republicans as well as Dems.

Anyway, I stopped contributing to the fund when I retired but I am still a dues paying member of the union. (Retired people pay a lot less in union dues than the current workforce for good reason.)

At any rate, I did not contribute to any specific candidate but I did make indirect political contributions.

FYI, federal law prohibits federal employee union dues to be used for political contributions.

[boxcar]

So your time is better spent complaining about things here, than actually trying to make the changes you all talk about by doing things.

Makes perfect sense. :lol:

I don't complain. I simply make observations occasionally. I leave the whining to the cry babies.

And by the way....I don't have the MONEY POWER the oligarchy in this country does. So why bother? This would be akin to entering a Chevy Volt in a race against a Ferrari and expecting to win. (Even you aren't that stupid....are you?) :rolleyes:

So...I'm still waiting to hear how you have made a difference by actively contributing time and/or money to the BO campaign or any other during your lifetime.

Boxcar

[PaceAdvantage]

I'm a little surprised as well.

I haven't really had the time this cycle but I have contributed both locally and nationally.Is this an EVER question? As in, have you ever? Or just this election cycle?

I have worked on a political campaign before. Years and years ago...back in college. Worked for Massachusetts gubernatorial candidate Steven Pierce. He lost to William Weld in the primary handily... :lol:

[elysiantraveller]

Is this an EVER question? As in, have you ever? Or just this election cycle?

I have worked on a political campaign before. Years and years ago...back in college. Worked for Massachusetts gubernatorial candidate Steven Pierce. He lost to William Weld in the primary handily... :lol:

This election I haven't had time to invest so I've given dollars. Sorry I wasn't very clear on that.

[Tom]

Well, if we go back in time, I actively worked for McGovern and Bobby Kennedy in the day. I was the treasurer for the local "City" for Peace, in the early 70's.

I wore a "Lick Dick in 72" label button for the 1972 election, which I
bought myself, and then sold dozens of them to raise money to topple Nixon.:D

I guess I had skin in the game.

[PaceAdvantage]

It's interesting how many tales of "I was once a Dem but am now a Repub" one hears throughout life...

Not too many stories of it happening the other way around...

[Tom]

Funny how that happens once you get in the real world and start having to pay our own bills and stuff. College is a terrible place to build character or learn responsibility.

[GameTheory]

Is this an EVER question? As in, have you ever? Or just this election cycle?It is not an "ever" question, as indicated in the initial post.

[bigmack]

It is not an "ever" question, as indicated in the initial post.
That throws a wrench in the whole operAtion.

What kind of a poll are you runnin' here & where are the free donuts that were promised?
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[Dahoss9698]

College is a terrible place to build character or learn responsibility.
It's a great place for having a good time and getting laid though. Take my word for it. It's great.

[Tom]

College separates the men from the boys.
The boys go to college. :D

I enjoyed my 12 years in college a lot more than my 9 in high school!