Vodka for votes? Cash?

[JustRalph]

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/10/22/arkansas-operatives-plead-guilty-in-vodka-for-votes-scam/


Guess which party?

Sure glad voter fraud is not a problem

[PaceAdvantage]

Oh come now Ralph. You know this was justified because, as someone said on this very forum, the only way Republicans can win elections is if they rig them. :rolleyes:

[rastajenk]

Uh-oh. Voter suppression attempt in Florida (http://www.clickorlando.com/news/Feds-to-probe-possible-voter-fraud-in-Florida/-/1637132/17086510/-/5x9wgrz/-/index.html) The targeted voters are white, Republican, regular voters. Like that subset is going to fall for this ruse. :rolleyes:

[johnhannibalsmith]

Uh-oh. Voter suppression attempt in Florida (http://www.clickorlando.com/news/Feds-to-probe-possible-voter-fraud-in-Florida/-/1637132/17086510/-/5x9wgrz/-/index.html) The targeted voters are white, Republican, regular voters. Like that subset is going to fall for this ruse. :rolleyes:

DigDog is going to have to rethink his narrow view of suppression and suppressors what between this stunt and Obama/Plouffe/Axelrot/Revrum Al doing all they can to make the process as insufferable to witness as possible to keep indys and undecideds from voting.

[maddog42]

DigDog is going to have to rethink his narrow view of suppression and suppressors what between this stunt and Obama/Plouffe/Axelrot/Revrum Al doing all they can to make the process as insufferable to witness as possible to keep indys and undecideds from voting.

I am absolutely positive that showing a photo ID would stop this. What?
NO? So we will spend $100 million minimum on Voter Id in the next 10 years, and it won't stop the most common type of voter fraud which is Absentee
ballot fraud? In-person voter fraud is more rare than getting struck by lightning? Nah, you must be wrong.

[johnhannibalsmith]

I am absolutely positive that showing a photo ID would stop this. What?
NO? So we will spend $100 million minimum on Voter Id in the next 10 years, and it won't stop the most common type of voter fraud which is Absentee
ballot fraud? In-person voter fraud is more rare than getting struck by lightning? Nah, you must be wrong.

Misdirect. The only thing that voter ID has to do with my post is your erroneous conclusion that it is the only form of voter suppression and that only one group could possibly be perpetrating such an endeavor. But you knew that, nice try anyway.

[maddog42]

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/10/22/arkansas-operatives-plead-guilty-in-vodka-for-votes-scam/


Guess which party?

Sure glad voter fraud is not a problem

And voter ID will stop this? I am dying to know how. Again, corrupt politicians and Absentee ballots are to blame.

[maddog42]

Uh-oh. Voter suppression attempt in Florida (http://www.clickorlando.com/news/Feds-to-probe-possible-voter-fraud-in-Florida/-/1637132/17086510/-/5x9wgrz/-/index.html) The targeted voters are white, Republican, regular voters. Like that subset is going to fall for this ruse. :rolleyes:

More than likely this is voter suppression. My only reason for even mildly doubting this is why ask for SS number in that form? This actually sounds so
amateurish that I wonder?

[bigmack]

And voter ID will stop this? I am dying to know how. Again, corrupt politicians and Absentee ballots are to blame.
After your COLOSSAL campaign you don't have as much as a speck of a solution?

You just absolutely positively DON'T want people to have to show ID. End of starry?

Alrighty then. :D

[mostpost]

You guys keep presenting examples of things that are not Voter ID fraud, Voter ID fraud is when a person goes to a polling place and claims to be someone he is not. He then votes in that person's place.

In order for this to work a few things have to happen. First he has to know that the person he is impersonating lives in that precinct. You can't just pick a name at random. Second, if the voter has already voted, the fraudulent voter is out of luck.

And this is one for one fraud. For every vote you want to steal, you need one person to go to the polling place and pretend to be another person. Hardly an efficient way to steal an election. For more efficient ways see Florida 2000 and Ohio 2004.

[johnhannibalsmith]

You guys keep presenting examples of things that are not Voter ID fraud, Voter ID fraud is when a person goes to a polling place and claims to be someone he is not. He then votes in that person's place.

In order for this to work a few things have to happen. First he has to know that the person he is impersonating lives in that precinct. You can't just pick a name at random. Second, if the voter has already voted, the fraudulent voter is out of luck.

And this is one for one fraud. For every vote you want to steal, you need one person to go to the polling place and pretend to be another person. Hardly an efficient way to steal an election. For more efficient ways see Florida 2000 and Ohio 2004.

You keep missing the other side's position. Voter ID laws mitigate the belief by many that voter fraud, HOWEVER it occurs, does indeed happen. I'm hardly a huge fan of the voter ID laws, but it isn't that hard to find the legitimate portions of both arguments on both sides. There are votes that are being "suppressed" because voters believe that fraud is real and if it can happen this way or that way, it can and does happen the other way, and they feel as though their vote doesn't count fairly. Voter ID laws are a reassurance that the process is taking a simple measure to ensure it isn't being corrupted. You can argue all day long about the number of actual cases of in-person fraud, but what matters is the public perception, even if it is misinformed. We have all kinds of ridiculous, preposterous laws and regulations that aren't based on anything but statistics that measure in the decimal points of frequency, but they are there to shut people up and make them feel secure. Ever been to an airport in the last decade?

[johnhannibalsmith]

Since this is the new Voter ID thread du jour, I love these quotes in this article:

Dumm said everyone agrees ineligible voters shouldn't cast ballots. But she argued that Gessler should focus on more important issues, like making sure the secretary of state's office website functions properly to allow people to register to vote, and coordinating with clerks on election issues before November. She said the 441 figure amounts to a "rounding error" in the greater scheme, considering there are 3.5 million registered voters in Colorado.

Gessler has forwarded the names of the suspected noncitizens, 441 in all, to county clerks for any potential challenge at the polls if they show up to cast ballots.

http://news.yahoo.com/apnewsbreak-co-conducts-more-citizenship-checks-003647376--election.html

But just in the case it does happen, it's just a "rounding error". :D

[Tom]

It appears Carlton Fisk pre-voted democrat.